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<blockquote data-quote="MaximumHavoc" data-source="post: 4722350" data-attributes="member: 82231">level 1, 2 infernal spells, none with fire or fear keywordmy discussion was limited to infernal spells.&nbsp; i am aware of what you are pointing out.from a flavor standpoint, i think that a warlock who takes half his spells outside of his pact really is not playing his pact and is diluting the roleplay of the pact. this brings to mind the strength paladin dilemma, albiet, not as extreme.&nbsp; a player should be able to play a particular pact to its fullest.&nbsp; multiclassing should be an option, not a necessity.&nbsp; imo, fire and fear and hellfire blood are natural fits for the infernal pact, but that pact does not actually deliver for those things, as i have already pointed out.yes, i did mean the infernal pact paragon path.&nbsp; thank you for clarifying that.phb daily attack spellslevel 20, 1 infernal spell, none with fire or fear keywordmy discussion was limited to phb.&nbsp; i am aware of what you are pointing out.see above. one poster i responded to spoke of star pact and infernal pact.&nbsp; the other poster i responded to spoke of infernal pact.&nbsp; my response to them clearly was limited to information about the infernal pact spells.imo, attempting to boost 3 stats throughout a character's career is a nonstarter.why in the world would a half-elf infernal warlock put an 18 in charisma?&nbsp; if you are suggesting that the infernal warlock keep boosting 3 stats, see above.an infernal warlock should be boosting con and int, using light armor.i will repeat:&quot;also note that infernal warlocks get a grand total of 2 spells with the fear keyword.&quot;&nbsp; to be clear, this statement is limited to the phb.in addition, i already have provided information about phb infernal pact spells with the fire keyword.unless you intend to depend on multiclassing or spells from other pacts, then i do not think that tiefling infernal warlock with hellfire blood is anything to write home about (caveat - materials subsequent to the phb are progessively helping this situtation).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MaximumHavoc, post: 4722350, member: 82231"] level 1, 2 [B]infernal[/B] spells, none with fire or fear keyword my discussion was limited to infernal spells. i am aware of what you are pointing out. from a flavor standpoint, i think that a warlock who takes half his spells outside of his pact really is not playing his pact and is diluting the roleplay of the pact. this brings to mind the strength paladin dilemma, albiet, not as extreme. a player should be able to play a particular pact to its fullest. multiclassing should be an option, not a necessity. imo, fire and fear and hellfire blood are natural fits for the infernal pact, but that pact does not actually deliver for those things, as i have already pointed out. yes, i did mean the infernal pact paragon path. thank you for clarifying that. [B]phb[/B] daily attack spells level 20, 1 infernal spell, none with fire or fear keyword my discussion was limited to phb. i am aware of what you are pointing out. see above. one poster i responded to spoke of star pact and infernal pact. the other poster i responded to spoke of infernal pact. my response to them clearly was limited to information about the infernal pact spells. imo, attempting to boost 3 stats throughout a character's career is a nonstarter. why in the world would a half-elf infernal warlock put an 18 in charisma? if you are suggesting that the infernal warlock keep boosting 3 stats, see above. an infernal warlock should be boosting con and int, using light armor. i will repeat: "also note that infernal warlocks get a grand total of 2 spells with the fear keyword." to be clear, this statement is limited to the phb. in addition, i already have provided information about phb infernal pact spells with the fire keyword. unless you intend to depend on multiclassing or spells from other pacts, then i do not think that tiefling infernal warlock with hellfire blood is anything to write home about (caveat - materials subsequent to the phb are progessively helping this situtation). [/QUOTE]

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