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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3720325" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Let's not get too excited... the example doesn't seem too different from a 3ed battle to me.</p><p>Monster makes multiple attacks in the same round? Check.</p><p>Monster react to some attacks with a counterattack? Check (see AoOs).</p><p>Monster can full_attack+breath in the same round? Almost check... if it wasn't for the extra move this would just be a Dragon being 3.0-hasted. But wait a minute... wasn't everyone so happy that haste was nerfed? Ah, but I guess this is now only a dragons-only special ability.</p><p></p><p>There are significant differences in mechanics, but it's not more "cool" than what already happens in the game. I'm sure that 7 years ago they could have written an example that would sound just as exciting.</p><p></p><p>Something to note for me is that AoOs (whatever they will be called...) are still very much there, except that more options are given: the dragon is using the breath weapon again as an AoO (here called just immediate action) triggered by the charging fighter, except that the breath weapon affects everyone!</p><p></p><p>Multiple attacks: why the dragon does 2 claws attacks as a standard action + 1 tail slap as a free action is obscure to me. In 3.x it would have taken a full-round action to do all of them. Doesn't make a huge difference to me, but it does not sound as a simplification either.</p><p></p><p>And by the way, totally removing multiple attacks for PCs is not that nice... How are you going to fight a small group of mooks quickly? Maybe it's just going to require some special ability to make multiple attacks, but I think it's going to be there.</p><p></p><p>PS Someone please also explain to me the joke about "this isn't 3rd edition" because I didn't get it... "He blasts the dragon with a ray of freezing cold, but this isn’t 3rd Edition. The dragon takes normal damage, but it’s not enough to slow it down." Where's the joke?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3720325, member: 1465"] Let's not get too excited... the example doesn't seem too different from a 3ed battle to me. Monster makes multiple attacks in the same round? Check. Monster react to some attacks with a counterattack? Check (see AoOs). Monster can full_attack+breath in the same round? Almost check... if it wasn't for the extra move this would just be a Dragon being 3.0-hasted. But wait a minute... wasn't everyone so happy that haste was nerfed? Ah, but I guess this is now only a dragons-only special ability. There are significant differences in mechanics, but it's not more "cool" than what already happens in the game. I'm sure that 7 years ago they could have written an example that would sound just as exciting. Something to note for me is that AoOs (whatever they will be called...) are still very much there, except that more options are given: the dragon is using the breath weapon again as an AoO (here called just immediate action) triggered by the charging fighter, except that the breath weapon affects everyone! Multiple attacks: why the dragon does 2 claws attacks as a standard action + 1 tail slap as a free action is obscure to me. In 3.x it would have taken a full-round action to do all of them. Doesn't make a huge difference to me, but it does not sound as a simplification either. And by the way, totally removing multiple attacks for PCs is not that nice... How are you going to fight a small group of mooks quickly? Maybe it's just going to require some special ability to make multiple attacks, but I think it's going to be there. PS Someone please also explain to me the joke about "this isn't 3rd edition" because I didn't get it... "He blasts the dragon with a ray of freezing cold, but this isn’t 3rd Edition. The dragon takes normal damage, but it’s not enough to slow it down." Where's the joke? [/QUOTE]
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