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<blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 3725999" data-attributes="member: 23977"><p><strong>Analyzing The Dragon Fight...</strong></p><p></p><p>So I reread the Dragon fight again, trying to pay particular attention to everything that was said about each action, as well as how it was said, and how it compared to similar actions performed later... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They never mention what color dragon... We're assuming red right? But they never say... Important?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So far, it seems like we will have 3 action types.</p><p></p><p>They are:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Free Action</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Standard Action</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Move Action</li> </ul><p></p><p><strong>Free Action-</strong> It would appear that 4e makes free actions more powerful then 3.5... </p><p>The Dragon does damage with it's free action. </p><p></p><p>(Perhaps simulating that the fire burst happens WHILE it also attacks? (My guess is that as you increase in power, your ability to perform certain things as free actions grows...) </p><p></p><p><strong>Standard Action-</strong> Seems to work slightly different then in 3.5 The dragon makes multiple attacks as a single standard action. (Perhaps "combos" count as a single action? Or while you still get iterative attacks, they only count as one action...)</p><p></p><p><strong>Move Action</strong> Seems relatively unchanged...</p><p></p><p>Appears that something possibly similar to AOOs is in effect... The Dragon got to use it's tail to slap the Rogue away. But this AOO uses what appears to be a specialized dragon form of Bull Rush... </p><p></p><p>Also uses a special ability that allows it to have another standard action... I wonder if it could have done that claw/claw routine we saw earlier? (Important to note, it didn't use a spell. It used a special ability...)</p><p></p><p>Also, Dragons appear to still have Breath weapons.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Charge appears to be an option still. (Although perhaps the mechanics are different, or it was simply a description...)</p><p></p><p>They never mention anything about damage reduction. (Perhaps they failed to mention it?)</p><p></p><p>Another action type: </p><p></p><p><strong>Immediate Action- </strong>So we still have immediate actions. </p><p></p><p>Triggering actions... When the dragon got to a point, x happened... I wonder if characters have these?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again another sign that some sort of AOO is in effect... As the Rogue moves, it provokes a tail slap... But it never says "provokes" it simply says "would let." </p><p></p><p>(Perhaps You choose when to use the immediate action... Maybe you can only use it as a response to something else, however, to prevent it from simply being another attack... This would sort of eliminate the need for knowing what provokes an AOO... It simply happens when the person thinks it should.)</p><p></p><p>Also indicates that Immediate actions "seem" to work similar to 3.5... You only get one per round, but they can be used at any time in the round...</p><p></p><p>Also seems to indicate the rogue only has one attack... </p><p></p><p>The Dragon's AC is higher off the bat then in 3.5 This might be due to other factors... But I don't know...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We know:</p><p></p><p>Fire Resistance can be "scoured away..." Perhaps energy resistance isn't permanent in 4e? Perhaps it works more like stoneskin? Perhaps this indicates Breath weapons do more then just a lot of damage? (They mentioned fireballs no longer being multiple d6s... perhaps the same is true for all "mega" attacks...)</p><p></p><p>The Wizard never makes a concentration check... (Perhaps they just didn't mention it?)</p><p></p><p>There seems to be no spell resistance... (Perhaps they failed to mention it?)</p><p></p><p>No longer has a vulnerability to cold...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Was "calling on the power of her god" just flair? Or was that indicating the use of some sort of power or ability? </p><p></p><p>Did the healing come because of the crit? They never mention the crit doing extra damage... (Maybe the cleric used the heal instead of getting extra damage?)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Dragon attacked a heck of a lot in that one round... Did more damage when it WASN'T it's turn it seemed...</p><p></p><p>Also... The Dragon never spoke... Maybe just a minor point, and he didn't speak because he didn't have to... But just in the way it acted made me feel like they are making Dragons more animalistic in nature?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribble, post: 3725999, member: 23977"] [b]Analyzing The Dragon Fight...[/b] So I reread the Dragon fight again, trying to pay particular attention to everything that was said about each action, as well as how it was said, and how it compared to similar actions performed later... They never mention what color dragon... We're assuming red right? But they never say... Important? So far, it seems like we will have 3 action types. They are: [list] [*]Free Action [*]Standard Action [*]Move Action [/list] [b]Free Action-[/b] It would appear that 4e makes free actions more powerful then 3.5... The Dragon does damage with it's free action. (Perhaps simulating that the fire burst happens WHILE it also attacks? (My guess is that as you increase in power, your ability to perform certain things as free actions grows...) [b]Standard Action-[/b] Seems to work slightly different then in 3.5 The dragon makes multiple attacks as a single standard action. (Perhaps "combos" count as a single action? Or while you still get iterative attacks, they only count as one action...) [b]Move Action[/b] Seems relatively unchanged... Appears that something possibly similar to AOOs is in effect... The Dragon got to use it's tail to slap the Rogue away. But this AOO uses what appears to be a specialized dragon form of Bull Rush... Also uses a special ability that allows it to have another standard action... I wonder if it could have done that claw/claw routine we saw earlier? (Important to note, it didn't use a spell. It used a special ability...) Also, Dragons appear to still have Breath weapons. Charge appears to be an option still. (Although perhaps the mechanics are different, or it was simply a description...) They never mention anything about damage reduction. (Perhaps they failed to mention it?) Another action type: [b]Immediate Action- [/b]So we still have immediate actions. Triggering actions... When the dragon got to a point, x happened... I wonder if characters have these? Again another sign that some sort of AOO is in effect... As the Rogue moves, it provokes a tail slap... But it never says "provokes" it simply says "would let." (Perhaps You choose when to use the immediate action... Maybe you can only use it as a response to something else, however, to prevent it from simply being another attack... This would sort of eliminate the need for knowing what provokes an AOO... It simply happens when the person thinks it should.) Also indicates that Immediate actions "seem" to work similar to 3.5... You only get one per round, but they can be used at any time in the round... Also seems to indicate the rogue only has one attack... The Dragon's AC is higher off the bat then in 3.5 This might be due to other factors... But I don't know... We know: Fire Resistance can be "scoured away..." Perhaps energy resistance isn't permanent in 4e? Perhaps it works more like stoneskin? Perhaps this indicates Breath weapons do more then just a lot of damage? (They mentioned fireballs no longer being multiple d6s... perhaps the same is true for all "mega" attacks...) The Wizard never makes a concentration check... (Perhaps they just didn't mention it?) There seems to be no spell resistance... (Perhaps they failed to mention it?) No longer has a vulnerability to cold... Was "calling on the power of her god" just flair? Or was that indicating the use of some sort of power or ability? Did the healing come because of the crit? They never mention the crit doing extra damage... (Maybe the cleric used the heal instead of getting extra damage?) The Dragon attacked a heck of a lot in that one round... Did more damage when it WASN'T it's turn it seemed... Also... The Dragon never spoke... Maybe just a minor point, and he didn't speak because he didn't have to... But just in the way it acted made me feel like they are making Dragons more animalistic in nature? [/QUOTE]
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