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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 7349292" data-attributes="member: 6932123">While I understand your point, I still think the longsword is a better baseline.&nbsp; Its popularity isn't the point.It can be used one-handed, with top-end one-handed damage.&nbsp; It can be used two-handed, with 'typical', if not 'best' two-handed damage.&nbsp; It can be used with GWM if needed, but does not have the additional skew of PAM that complicates what you'd consider for the glaive.&nbsp; At the same time, since you're trying to make this a very &quot;5E&quot; implementation, you must consider that feats may not be used, which means this has to work even without the extra advantage of those feats.&nbsp; For that situation, it's equivalent to the glaive in damage, but doesn't have the extra reach, which is another factor to consider.Basically, for the same reason that Cap'n Kobold is wanting to divest the attack/damage bonus from the basic magic damage property, I'd want to divest the extra weapon features from the baseline.&nbsp; The baseline weapon should be very vanilla.&nbsp; Things like reach, feats, ranged, finesse, dual-wielding, etc, should be removed as much as possible, because not doing so complicates the comparison of all the other weapons to your baseline.&nbsp; If you have to constantly un-factor some property from your baseline, you didn't choose a good baseline.Of course, the longsword has versatile, which is yet another factor, but at the same time means it can be compared just as easily to the one-handed weapons as the two-handed weapons, which is another thing to make the relative values easier to design.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 7349292, member: 6932123"] While I understand your point, I still think the longsword is a better baseline. Its popularity isn't the point. It can be used one-handed, with top-end one-handed damage. It can be used two-handed, with 'typical', if not 'best' two-handed damage. It can be used with GWM if needed, but does not have the additional skew of PAM that complicates what you'd consider for the glaive. At the same time, since you're trying to make this a very "5E" implementation, you must consider that feats may not be used, which means this has to work even without the extra advantage of those feats. For that situation, it's equivalent to the glaive in damage, but doesn't have the extra reach, which is [i]another[/i] factor to consider. Basically, for the same reason that Cap'n Kobold is wanting to divest the attack/damage bonus from the basic magic damage property, I'd want to divest the extra weapon features from the baseline. The baseline weapon should be very vanilla. Things like reach, feats, ranged, finesse, dual-wielding, etc, should be removed as much as possible, because not doing so complicates the comparison of all the other weapons to your baseline. If you have to constantly un-factor some property from your baseline, you didn't choose a good baseline. Of course, the longsword has versatile, which is yet another factor, but at the same time means it can be compared just as easily to the one-handed weapons as the two-handed weapons, which is another thing to make the relative values easier to design. [/QUOTE]

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