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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 7354354" data-attributes="member: 6932123">This is an interesting one to work on, because Xanathar's provides costs for scribing your own scrolls.&nbsp; So let's try some comparisons.First, Xanathar's introduces both base cost, and time to scribe a scroll.&nbsp; However if you price out the time using the basic 2 gp per day rate of a skilled worker, the extra time is generally less than 1% of the cost assigned, so I'll assume that it's already included in the provided price.[CODE]Item&nbsp; &nbsp; Each&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Bundle&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /Typical1st&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 125&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 400%2nd&nbsp; &nbsp; 250&nbsp; &nbsp; 1250&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1000%3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; 500&nbsp; &nbsp; 2500&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 180%4th&nbsp; &nbsp; 2500&nbsp; &nbsp; 12500&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 350%5th&nbsp; &nbsp; 5000&nbsp; &nbsp; 25000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 400%6th&nbsp; &nbsp; 15000&nbsp; &nbsp; 75000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 450%7th&nbsp; &nbsp; 25000&nbsp; &nbsp; 125000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 450%8th&nbsp; &nbsp; 50000&nbsp; &nbsp; 250000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 625%9th&nbsp; &nbsp; 250000&nbsp; &nbsp; 1250000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1000%[/CODE]So a bundle of five scrolls tends to be around 500% of 1/3 of your expected wealth at a given level.&nbsp; Or, more simply, a single scroll generally costs about 1/3 of your expected wealth per level (except for spell levels 2 and 9, which cost twice as much, and spell level 3, which costs half as much).That certainly keeps spell scrolls far from disposable utility — at least, for spells at your caster level.&nbsp; What do the ratios look like when the caster is one spell level (two class levels) higher? Two spell levels/four class levels higher?I'll skip the bundle and just do the single scrolls, since that's easier to deal with.&nbsp; Rounded to the nearest 10%:[CODE]Item&nbsp; &nbsp; Each&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /Typical&nbsp; &nbsp; /Typical+1&nbsp; &nbsp; /Typical+21st&nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp; 80%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0%2nd&nbsp; &nbsp; 250&nbsp; &nbsp; 190%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10%3rd&nbsp; &nbsp; 500&nbsp; &nbsp; 40%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10%4th&nbsp; &nbsp; 2500&nbsp; &nbsp; 70%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%5th&nbsp; &nbsp; 5000&nbsp; &nbsp; 80%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 30%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%6th&nbsp; &nbsp; 15000&nbsp; &nbsp; 90%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 50%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40%7th&nbsp; &nbsp; 25000&nbsp; &nbsp; 90%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 60%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%8th&nbsp; &nbsp; 50000&nbsp; &nbsp; 130%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 20%9th&nbsp; &nbsp; 250000&nbsp; &nbsp; 190%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 100%&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 80%[/CODE]So it looks like when you're two spell levels above the scroll level, the scrolls tend to run about 10% of 1/3 of your typical wealth level each, pushing more towards 20% for spell levels 4 and higher. (Also, Typical+2 for 9th level spells were fudged, only reaching 20th level wealth levels instead of 21.)So generally, if you were to spend one 'slot' (1/3 of wealth at level) on scrolls, you could get 5 to 10 scrolls if you aimed at spells that were a couple spells levels below your current level.&nbsp; If you got spells 3 spell levels below your current level, it would be trivial costs for spell levels 1 through 3, and 10% above that, with 20% at 8th, and staying at 80% at 9th.Thus, given a desire for spell scrolls to be 'disposable', and given that you don't want to allow players to have 'disposable' scrolls for current spell levels, this degree of scaling actually seems pretty much fine.&nbsp; A bundle or two of 5 scrolls would be reasonable to acquire, as long as you're aiming for relatively lower level scrolls.Spell level 3 scrolls are notably underpriced compared to surrounding levels.&nbsp; Bumping the individual cost up to 750-1000 each brings everything back in line pretty nicely.&nbsp; Likewise, level 2 scrolls seem overpriced.&nbsp; I might drop them to 125, which puts them at 100% of Typical.So setting a more generalized approximation, price a single spell scroll at 80% to 100% of the 1/3 wealth level for the scroll's spell level (which gives some room to smooth out the actual prices).&nbsp; That makes them a significant expense at the scroll's level, but a disposable expense once the player has gained a few levels.&nbsp; A 10th level player having a bundle of Fireball spells would be a reasonable purchase.&nbsp; For a 5th level player, a single scroll would be a precious emergency measure.Aside: Scrolls are certainly an item that are more reasonably analyzed relative to the level of the item, rather than a fraction of a tier, so I'm not going to bother looking at it from the tier perspective.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 7354354, member: 6932123"] This is an interesting one to work on, because Xanathar's provides costs for scribing your own scrolls. So let's try some comparisons. First, Xanathar's introduces both base cost, and time to scribe a scroll. However if you price out the time using the basic 2 gp per day rate of a skilled worker, the extra time is generally less than 1% of the cost assigned, so I'll assume that it's already included in the provided price. [CODE] Item Each Bundle /Typical 1st 25 125 400% 2nd 250 1250 1000% 3rd 500 2500 180% 4th 2500 12500 350% 5th 5000 25000 400% 6th 15000 75000 450% 7th 25000 125000 450% 8th 50000 250000 625% 9th 250000 1250000 1000% [/CODE] So a bundle of five scrolls tends to be around 500% of 1/3 of your expected wealth at a given level. Or, more simply, a single scroll generally costs about 1/3 of your expected wealth per level (except for spell levels 2 and 9, which cost twice as much, and spell level 3, which costs half as much). That certainly keeps spell scrolls far from disposable utility — at least, for spells at your caster level. What do the ratios look like when the caster is one spell level (two class levels) higher? Two spell levels/four class levels higher? I'll skip the bundle and just do the single scrolls, since that's easier to deal with. Rounded to the nearest 10%: [CODE] Item Each /Typical /Typical+1 /Typical+2 1st 25 80% 20% 0% 2nd 250 190% 20% 10% 3rd 500 40% 10% 10% 4th 2500 70% 40% 20% 5th 5000 80% 30% 20% 6th 15000 90% 50% 40% 7th 25000 90% 60% 20% 8th 50000 130% 40% 20% 9th 250000 190% 100% 80% [/CODE] So it looks like when you're two spell levels above the scroll level, the scrolls tend to run about 10% of 1/3 of your typical wealth level each, pushing more towards 20% for spell levels 4 and higher. (Also, Typical+2 for 9th level spells were fudged, only reaching 20th level wealth levels instead of 21.) So generally, if you were to spend one 'slot' (1/3 of wealth at level) on scrolls, you could get 5 to 10 scrolls if you aimed at spells that were a couple spells levels below your current level. If you got spells 3 spell levels below your current level, it would be trivial costs for spell levels 1 through 3, and 10% above that, with 20% at 8th, and staying at 80% at 9th. Thus, given a desire for spell scrolls to be 'disposable', and given that you don't want to allow players to have 'disposable' scrolls for current spell levels, this degree of scaling actually seems pretty much fine. A bundle or two of 5 scrolls would be reasonable to acquire, as long as you're aiming for relatively lower level scrolls. Spell level 3 scrolls are notably underpriced compared to surrounding levels. Bumping the individual cost up to 750-1000 each brings everything back in line pretty nicely. Likewise, level 2 scrolls seem overpriced. I might drop them to 125, which puts them at 100% of Typical. So setting a more generalized approximation, price a single spell scroll at 80% to 100% of the 1/3 wealth level for the scroll's spell level (which gives some room to smooth out the actual prices). That makes them a significant expense [i]at[/i] the scroll's level, but a disposable expense once the player has gained a few levels. A 10th level player having a bundle of Fireball spells would be a reasonable purchase. For a 5th level player, a single scroll would be a precious emergency measure. Aside: Scrolls are certainly an item that are more reasonably analyzed relative to the level of the item, rather than a fraction of a tier, so I'm not going to bother looking at it from the tier perspective. [/QUOTE]

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