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<blockquote data-quote="Twowolves" data-source="post: 3827734" data-attributes="member: 18093"><p>Bingo.</p><p></p><p>And I don't care if the article didn't specifically say you kill somone and hand their soul off to an infernal patron, the very fact that the class <em>as they have presented it </em> gains power via pacts with EVIL patrons makes it an evil class to me. Yeah, you can do other things with it, and yeah, you can change the flavor text to whatever you like, but the fact is they are "selling" the idea to the target audience as a class that makes deals with the Devil(s) in exchange for power, and they specifically say it's a natural fit for the tieflings, a race tainted with the infernal. That doesn't scream "but they can be feral nature-boys too" to me.</p><p></p><p>Also note that at no time was I one of those who said that evil had no place in the PHB. I also don't agree that necromancy is inherantly evil (outside of those spells with the "Evil" descriptor). In fact, I run Scarred Lands, where there is a perfect example of a city run by non-evil necromancers and protected by advanced skeleton patrols. Simply put, a core rulebook dealing with classes and races needs to be able to handle both good guys (the PCs) and bad guys (character-classed NPC villians), if for no other reason than to have similar rules grouped in the same volume. I just don't recall the authors pushing Assassins and Necromancers as being quite so "wicked cool" in prior editions either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, if I am insulted by someone calling me a "Scruffy Nerfherder", even if I am, it's against board rules? Can I say "4th ed Cheerleader"? Or is "Cheerleader" a Newspeak insult too? Maybe the easily insulted can cobble together some kind of Thoughtcrime Insult List and post it somewhere so I know how not to offend those going out of their way to find offense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Twowolves, post: 3827734, member: 18093"] Bingo. And I don't care if the article didn't specifically say you kill somone and hand their soul off to an infernal patron, the very fact that the class [I]as they have presented it [/I] gains power via pacts with EVIL patrons makes it an evil class to me. Yeah, you can do other things with it, and yeah, you can change the flavor text to whatever you like, but the fact is they are "selling" the idea to the target audience as a class that makes deals with the Devil(s) in exchange for power, and they specifically say it's a natural fit for the tieflings, a race tainted with the infernal. That doesn't scream "but they can be feral nature-boys too" to me. Also note that at no time was I one of those who said that evil had no place in the PHB. I also don't agree that necromancy is inherantly evil (outside of those spells with the "Evil" descriptor). In fact, I run Scarred Lands, where there is a perfect example of a city run by non-evil necromancers and protected by advanced skeleton patrols. Simply put, a core rulebook dealing with classes and races needs to be able to handle both good guys (the PCs) and bad guys (character-classed NPC villians), if for no other reason than to have similar rules grouped in the same volume. I just don't recall the authors pushing Assassins and Necromancers as being quite so "wicked cool" in prior editions either. So, if I am insulted by someone calling me a "Scruffy Nerfherder", even if I am, it's against board rules? Can I say "4th ed Cheerleader"? Or is "Cheerleader" a Newspeak insult too? Maybe the easily insulted can cobble together some kind of Thoughtcrime Insult List and post it somewhere so I know how not to offend those going out of their way to find offense. [/QUOTE]
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