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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 3831815" data-attributes="member: 9053">Paraxis,Thanks for posting the notes from the PHB. When I am posting I usually only have access to the SRD, which does not include the &quot;most characters are good or neutral&quot; part.I may differ a bit from the posters on both sides of this issue (but that's hardly surprising) as I think there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the Warlock and the class' flavor. I get the whole &quot;fighting darkness both within and without&quot; thing, really I do. My chief concern is the fact that the Warlock is going to be one of the &quot;big 8&quot; of the new series, where I think the class has a lot less appeal than, say, the Mageblade (or whatever they officially are calling it). I think this is going to be a class that is underused in a lot of campaigns, and it's also going to possibly attract some negative connotations to the game that have been absent for a long time.On a lighter note, after watching Metalapocalypse this weekend, I think we really need a revamped bard in the core rules. Fourth Edition needs to make bards METAL!...as Nathan Explosion would say. That would really be far more interesting than a class that makes dark pacts in my mind!If you have no idea what I'm talking about...take a look <a href="http://www.adultswim.com/shows/metal/" target="_blank">here</a> .--Steve</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 3831815, member: 9053"] Paraxis, Thanks for posting the notes from the PHB. When I am posting I usually only have access to the SRD, which does not include the "most characters are good or neutral" part. I may differ a bit from the posters on both sides of this issue (but that's hardly surprising) as I think there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the Warlock and the class' flavor. I get the whole "fighting darkness both within and without" thing, really I do. My chief concern is the fact that the Warlock is going to be one of the "big 8" of the new series, where I think the class has a lot less appeal than, say, the Mageblade (or whatever they officially are calling it). I think this is going to be a class that is underused in a lot of campaigns, and it's also going to possibly attract some negative connotations to the game that have been absent for a long time. On a lighter note, after watching Metalapocalypse this weekend, I think we really need a revamped bard in the core rules. Fourth Edition needs to make bards METAL!...as Nathan Explosion would say. That would really be far more interesting than a class that makes dark pacts in my mind! If you have no idea what I'm talking about...take a look [URL=http://www.adultswim.com/shows/metal/]here[/URL] . --Steve [/QUOTE]

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