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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 3972403" data-attributes="member: 32164">I don't see why the trap needs to &quot;roll&quot; its stealth check. It's not moving, it's well concealed, it's in no danger, and it's in no hurry. In effect, it's &quot;taking 10&quot; - which means a static DC.So I am disagreeing with you. You think traps aren't terrain features. However, that is PRECISELY what they are. However, there's no reason that has to mean that they're boring. Because it doesn't have to be a question of making the trap &quot;easy to find&quot; and therefore a non-event versus making it &quot;hard to find,&quot; and therefore auto-damage.I'd rather it goes more like &quot;you might trigger the trap, and you might not.&quot; But whether or not it triggers, that's where the fun starts. If it's triggered, you can try to avoid its effects, disable it, or destroy it. If you find it before it triggers, you now have to figure out how to disable it, destroy it, or pass it without triggering it.Both of those situations are compelling. And they have nothing to do with how hard the trap is to find. They're different kinds of challenges, certainly, but they're both, IMO, valid uses for traps.That's in sharp contrast to the pit trap you don't see until you fall into it. That's, IMO, a crappy trap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 3972403, member: 32164"] I don't see why the trap needs to "roll" its stealth check. It's not moving, it's well concealed, it's in no danger, and it's in no hurry. In effect, it's "taking 10" - which means a static DC. So I am disagreeing with you. You think traps aren't terrain features. However, that is PRECISELY what they are. However, there's no reason that has to mean that they're boring. Because it doesn't have to be a question of making the trap "easy to find" and therefore a non-event versus making it "hard to find," and therefore auto-damage. I'd rather it goes more like "you might trigger the trap, and you might not." But whether or not it triggers, that's where the fun [i]starts[/i]. If it's triggered, you can try to avoid its effects, disable it, or destroy it. If you find it before it triggers, you now have to figure out how to disable it, destroy it, or pass it without triggering it. Both of those situations are compelling. And they have nothing to do with how hard the trap is to find. They're different kinds of challenges, certainly, but they're both, IMO, valid uses for traps. That's in sharp contrast to the pit trap you don't see until you fall into it. That's, IMO, a crappy trap. [/QUOTE]

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