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<blockquote data-quote="Sulicius" data-source="post: 9873418" data-attributes="member: 6896569"><p>81 hp instead of 45 is one monster. Stop exagerrating. The average is still about 60. And we all agreed with the old encounter design things were too easy. I don't blame HP. They mostly just moved monsters to the average.</p><p></p><p>Below I made a table of all CR3 monsters in both 5e MM and 5.5e MM. For most the HP stayed the same. For a couple it changed, often when they have very few, but not always. I put the difference in brackets.</p><p> </p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'"><strong>Monster</strong></span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'"><strong>HP</strong></span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Ankylosaurus</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">68</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Basilisk</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Bearded Devil</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52 --> 58 (+6)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Blue Dragon Wyrmling</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52 --> 65 (+13)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Bugbear Chief/Bugbear Stalker</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">65</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Displacer Beast</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">85 --> 76 (-9)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Doppelganger</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Giant Scorpion</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Githyanki Warrior</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">49</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Gold Dragon Wyrmling</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">60</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Green Hag</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">82</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Grell</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">55</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Hell Hound</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">45 --> 58 (+13)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Hobgoblin Captain</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">39 --> 58 (+19)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Hook Horror</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">75</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Killer Whale</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">90</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Knight</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">52</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Kuo-toa Monitor</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">65</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Manticore</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">68</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0138in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Minotaur (of Baphomet)</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8812in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">76 --> 85 (+9)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Mummy</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">58</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Nightmare</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">68</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Owlbear</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">59</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Phase Spider</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">32 --> 45 (+13)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Quaggoth Thonot</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">45 --> 67 (+14)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Spectator</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">39 --> 45 (+6)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">(Warrior) Veteran</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">58 --> 65 (+7)</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Water Weird</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">58 --> 65 (+7) Lost resistance to nonmagic b/p/s</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Werewolf</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">58 --> 71 (+13) Lost immunity to nonsilver b/p/s</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Wight</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">45 --> 85 (+40) Lost resistance to nonsilver b/p/s</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Winter Wolf</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">75</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Yeti</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">51</span></span></td></tr><tr><td style='width: 2.0062in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">Yuan-ti Malison</span></span></td><td style='width: 2.8895in'><span style="color: #989797"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI'">66</span></span></td></tr></table><p></p><p>In total, these are 33 monsters, with an average of 59 HP in 5e, and an average of 63 in 5.5e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sulicius, post: 9873418, member: 6896569"] 81 hp instead of 45 is one monster. Stop exagerrating. The average is still about 60. And we all agreed with the old encounter design things were too easy. I don't blame HP. They mostly just moved monsters to the average. Below I made a table of all CR3 monsters in both 5e MM and 5.5e MM. For most the HP stayed the same. For a couple it changed, often when they have very few, but not always. I put the difference in brackets. [TABLE width="100%"] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI][B]Monster[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI][B]HP[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Ankylosaurus[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]68[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Basilisk[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Bearded Devil[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52 --> 58 (+6)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Blue Dragon Wyrmling[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52 --> 65 (+13)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Bugbear Chief/Bugbear Stalker[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]65[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Displacer Beast[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]85 --> 76 (-9)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Doppelganger[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Giant Scorpion[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Githyanki Warrior[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]49[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Gold Dragon Wyrmling[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]60[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Green Hag[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]82[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Grell[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]55[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Hell Hound[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]45 --> 58 (+13)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Hobgoblin Captain[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]39 --> 58 (+19)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Hook Horror[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]75[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Killer Whale[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]90[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Knight[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]52[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Kuo-toa Monitor[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]65[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Manticore[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]68[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0138in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Minotaur (of Baphomet)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8812in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]76 --> 85 (+9)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Mummy[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]58[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Nightmare[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]68[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Owlbear[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]59[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Phase Spider[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]32 --> 45 (+13)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Quaggoth Thonot[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]45 --> 67 (+14)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Spectator[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]39 --> 45 (+6)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI](Warrior) Veteran[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]58 --> 65 (+7)[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Water Weird[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]58 --> 65 (+7) Lost resistance to nonmagic b/p/s[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Werewolf[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]58 --> 71 (+13) Lost immunity to nonsilver b/p/s[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Wight[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]45 --> 85 (+40) Lost resistance to nonsilver b/p/s[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Winter Wolf[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]75[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Yeti[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]51[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [TR] [td width="2.0062in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]Yuan-ti Malison[/FONT][/COLOR][/td][td width="2.8895in"][COLOR=#989797][FONT=Segoe UI]66[/FONT][/COLOR][/td] [/TR] [/TABLE] In total, these are 33 monsters, with an average of 59 HP in 5e, and an average of 63 in 5.5e. 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