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Designating enemies as "allies"
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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 4485830" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>PHB 57: "<span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">When a power’s target entry specifies that it affects you and one or more of your allies, then you can take advantage of the power’s effect along with your teammates. Otherwise, “ally” or “allies” does not include you, and both terms assume willing targets. “Enemy” or “enemies” means a creature or creatures that aren’t your allies (whether those creatures are hostile toward you or not). “Creature” or “creatures” means allies and enemies both, as well as you."</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I read this as, for a creature to count as an ally, both you and that creature must believe that to be so. Say you cast Bless, which gives you and all allies within 20 squares a bonus. You must designate each one you consider an ally, and each one must be willing to be so designated. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Now, this would indicate that powers that refer to "willing allies" would be redundant - but one alternate interpretation might be that the target of your powers don't always know what the effect of those powers are, so would have to decide if they are willing blindly, while these powers might make it clear to them what the effect would be before they must decide. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'MentorStd'"><span style="font-size: 10px">In any case, if you try to heal an enemy - or even a bystander who doesn't want your healing - it does not work, by a strict reading of the rules. One might, however, rule that an unconscious enemy can no longer choose to be unwilling, and thus could be healed if the caster desired. </span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 4485830, member: 61155"] PHB 57: "[FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2]When a power’s target entry specifies that it affects you and one or more of your allies, then you can take advantage of the power’s effect along with your teammates. Otherwise, “ally” or “allies” does not include you, and both terms assume willing targets. “Enemy” or “enemies” means a creature or creatures that aren’t your allies (whether those creatures are hostile toward you or not). “Creature” or “creatures” means allies and enemies both, as well as you."[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2]I read this as, for a creature to count as an ally, both you and that creature must believe that to be so. Say you cast Bless, which gives you and all allies within 20 squares a bonus. You must designate each one you consider an ally, and each one must be willing to be so designated. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2]Now, this would indicate that powers that refer to "willing allies" would be redundant - but one alternate interpretation might be that the target of your powers don't always know what the effect of those powers are, so would have to decide if they are willing blindly, while these powers might make it clear to them what the effect would be before they must decide. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2][FONT=MentorStd][SIZE=2]In any case, if you try to heal an enemy - or even a bystander who doesn't want your healing - it does not work, by a strict reading of the rules. One might, however, rule that an unconscious enemy can no longer choose to be unwilling, and thus could be healed if the caster desired. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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