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Designing Elric of Melnibone
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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 4911304" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>Moorcock was rather vivid with describing how Elric attacked ... You can almost name the attacks and moves he makes in some of his first fights as a sequence of at-wills and standard actions from the fighter...charge possibly tide of iron with a shield swapping out to two handed use of the weapon followed by a cleave and a brash strike...or maybe power attack etc... Martial in hybrid and MC isnt that far fetched admittedly it might have included more at-wills than D&D alots even for a human <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /> </p><p></p><p>The point of mentioning that the Melniboneans were definitely not as Arcane as they used to be and that they pretty much fought with sword and spear and bow and war board.</p><p> Was to demonstrate how he could be Melnibones prodigy sorceror better than most all of his contemporaries and still not be that horribly high of level.... (Though Elrics training in using all of the above was explicitly mentioned... so those wanting that detail.... shrug)</p><p>That doesnt mean martial with hybriding and mcing is the best D&D translation of Elric in my opinion but it isnt an unreasonable one either ...if that was the route somebody wanted.</p><p></p><p>Elric was flabbergasted when he realized you could do sorcery faster than hours of time (although he did perform lesser magics - alah cantrips fairly adroitly -- that points to a Wizard). That he is there greatest sorceror really implies they were down to rituals and old fashioned bloody sword fighting ... unless one was one of the few talents (Elric and his Cousin Yrkoon).</p><p></p><p>Elric and Yrkoon are exceptions..but simple Melee training is inadequate ... at-wills are where its at for defining normal fighting and theres were mostly melee ...so that gives us various possibilities... (one is martial with multiclassing but Warlock looks far sweeter due to the right flavor and class features... but will take a lot to get them melee capable. No melee training isnt even needed (Eldritch Strike or Reapers Touch are better).</p><p></p><p>His dailies seem to often be area effects keep pulling in the multiclass wizardry even though may be berserkergang style stuff but those style of actions certainly sneak in from other sources than barbarian/battleragers (like Avengers and Warlocks and Paladins) which he associates with using Stormbringer.</p><p></p><p>Avengers aspect of might is awefully controlled feeling... and in general that focused control only rarely seems a solid invocation of Elric... it was control and choice that made the difference between his fighting and Yrkoon but ... that could be my intelligence/charisma is higher than yours when we are doing Eldritch strikes.</p><p></p><p>Elric Wades through a lot of minions... which a swordmage build might get when some of the others dont especially avenger and that is as much a reason for me to say hmmm maybe not Avenger. The swordmages lighter armor type sort of conforms to his later after gaining Stormbringer habits which I seem to recall included somewhat less armor. The swordmages bond with his blade and summoning it are certainly an Elric feature...swordmages teleport way too much...if taken at pure dont feel that great...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 4911304, member: 82504"] Moorcock was rather vivid with describing how Elric attacked ... You can almost name the attacks and moves he makes in some of his first fights as a sequence of at-wills and standard actions from the fighter...charge possibly tide of iron with a shield swapping out to two handed use of the weapon followed by a cleave and a brash strike...or maybe power attack etc... Martial in hybrid and MC isnt that far fetched admittedly it might have included more at-wills than D&D alots even for a human :erm: The point of mentioning that the Melniboneans were definitely not as Arcane as they used to be and that they pretty much fought with sword and spear and bow and war board. Was to demonstrate how he could be Melnibones prodigy sorceror better than most all of his contemporaries and still not be that horribly high of level.... (Though Elrics training in using all of the above was explicitly mentioned... so those wanting that detail.... shrug) That doesnt mean martial with hybriding and mcing is the best D&D translation of Elric in my opinion but it isnt an unreasonable one either ...if that was the route somebody wanted. Elric was flabbergasted when he realized you could do sorcery faster than hours of time (although he did perform lesser magics - alah cantrips fairly adroitly -- that points to a Wizard). That he is there greatest sorceror really implies they were down to rituals and old fashioned bloody sword fighting ... unless one was one of the few talents (Elric and his Cousin Yrkoon). Elric and Yrkoon are exceptions..but simple Melee training is inadequate ... at-wills are where its at for defining normal fighting and theres were mostly melee ...so that gives us various possibilities... (one is martial with multiclassing but Warlock looks far sweeter due to the right flavor and class features... but will take a lot to get them melee capable. No melee training isnt even needed (Eldritch Strike or Reapers Touch are better). His dailies seem to often be area effects keep pulling in the multiclass wizardry even though may be berserkergang style stuff but those style of actions certainly sneak in from other sources than barbarian/battleragers (like Avengers and Warlocks and Paladins) which he associates with using Stormbringer. Avengers aspect of might is awefully controlled feeling... and in general that focused control only rarely seems a solid invocation of Elric... it was control and choice that made the difference between his fighting and Yrkoon but ... that could be my intelligence/charisma is higher than yours when we are doing Eldritch strikes. Elric Wades through a lot of minions... which a swordmage build might get when some of the others dont especially avenger and that is as much a reason for me to say hmmm maybe not Avenger. The swordmages lighter armor type sort of conforms to his later after gaining Stormbringer habits which I seem to recall included somewhat less armor. The swordmages bond with his blade and summoning it are certainly an Elric feature...swordmages teleport way too much...if taken at pure dont feel that great... [/QUOTE]
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