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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7636830" data-attributes="member: 4937">Calculable and understood are far from the same thing.&nbsp; If you prefer, I will cite myself as proof.&nbsp; I passed Physics 155, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics and Relativity and the associated lab with an 'A'.&nbsp; So I've definitely calculated the things, but the double slit experiment still leaves me grasping, the fact that a laser lost resolution as focused was demonstrated to me by the math before I actually observed it, but it's still the most amazing and mysterious thing I've ever seen, and I have no idea why the wave function collapses as soon as you try to measure it, and couldn't clearly explain to you how or why at small scales things seem to jump without passing through the intervening space.&nbsp; So clearly, I can do at least some of the math, but that makes the universe I live in scarcely less mysterious to me.&nbsp; Perhaps your experience is different.Can you explain what exactly a wave form collapse is and why and how it happens?&nbsp; I'll await your Noble prize speech eagerly.&nbsp; Unless there has been some major advances in Quantum Mechanics I'm unaware of, we can do the math but we still don't really understand exactly what is going on or at the least those most knowledge in the field don't agree as to what is going on which is much the same thing.And regardless of whether in fact some great advances in understanding what all this suspiciously effective but probability based math means have occurred, I think the larger point that the scientist looks out on a vista of the mysterious and unknown stands, and the notion that we were somewhere close to understanding everything that could be understood died a good century ago at the latest. And if that stands, then it further stands that even a magic system which had a scientific basis (in some imagined reality by some unimaginable rules), would be by counter example - mysterious to its inhabitants and perhaps even more mysterious to the most learned of its inhabitants.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7636830, member: 4937"] Calculable and understood are far from the same thing. If you prefer, I will cite myself as proof. I passed Physics 155, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics and Relativity and the associated lab with an 'A'. So I've definitely calculated the things, but the double slit experiment still leaves me grasping, the fact that a laser lost resolution as focused was demonstrated to me by the math before I actually observed it, but it's still the most amazing and mysterious thing I've ever seen, and I have no idea why the wave function collapses as soon as you try to measure it, and couldn't clearly explain to you how or why at small scales things seem to jump without passing through the intervening space. So clearly, I can do at least some of the math, but that makes the universe I live in scarcely less mysterious to me. Perhaps your experience is different. Can you explain what exactly a wave form collapse is and why and how it happens? I'll await your Noble prize speech eagerly. Unless there has been some major advances in Quantum Mechanics I'm unaware of, we can do the math but we still don't really understand exactly what is going on or at the least those most knowledge in the field don't agree as to what is going on which is much the same thing. And regardless of whether in fact some great advances in understanding what all this suspiciously effective but probability based math means have occurred, I think the larger point that the scientist looks out on a vista of the mysterious and unknown stands, and the notion that we were somewhere close to understanding everything that could be understood died a good century ago at the latest. And if that stands, then it further stands that even a magic system which had a scientific basis (in some imagined reality by some unimaginable rules), would be by counter example - mysterious to its inhabitants and perhaps even more mysterious to the most learned of its inhabitants. [/QUOTE]

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