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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7957019" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Maybe I've misunderstood your point, reading back through the posts it does seem like you allow the caster to know there is a magical item in the sack. So, do you allow them to know if there is a magical item hidden behind a brick a fireplace? The spell penetrates a foot of stone and I've never seen a brick thicker than that. How about if there is an item in the next room? Most wooden walls I've seen would not be three feet thick, so the spell would penetrate that as well. So, this is the problem in my understanding. You say the spell is &quot;not an auto-finder&quot; but it is specifically written to pierce through barriers. So does the spell tell you that there is a magical item in the wardrobe, past a few inches of wood, or does it simply say &quot;hey there is magic in this room&quot;. And if it is the second, how can you ever tell if you are detecting yourself, or something else, because if you don't get some directionality and specificity, then I don't see how the spell wouldn't be &quot;stupid&quot; and be rendered blind by your own magical items.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7957019, member: 6801228"] Maybe I've misunderstood your point, reading back through the posts it does seem like you allow the caster to know there is a magical item in the sack. So, do you allow them to know if there is a magical item hidden behind a brick a fireplace? The spell penetrates a foot of stone and I've never seen a brick thicker than that. How about if there is an item in the next room? Most wooden walls I've seen would not be three feet thick, so the spell would penetrate that as well. So, this is the problem in my understanding. You say the spell is "not an auto-finder" but it is specifically written to pierce through barriers. So does the spell tell you that there is a magical item in the wardrobe, past a few inches of wood, or does it simply say "hey there is magic in this room". And if it is the second, how can you ever tell if you are detecting yourself, or something else, because if you don't get some directionality and specificity, then I don't see how the spell wouldn't be "stupid" and be rendered blind by your own magical items. [/QUOTE]

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