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<blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3355170" data-attributes="member: 43358">While mvincent is correct that there is a knowledge check of DC 10 + hit die that is more to identify a specific creature along with its powers and vulnerabilities. It is, in my opinion, a bad rule though as creatures hit dice do not make it more or less common in general nor is it a good indicator in this case since zombies have double the hit die of a normal creature. Challenge rating is a slightly better representation sometimes but I think it would still come down to whether the dm feels that the creature is common, uncommon, rare, or special in some way and what an appropriate DC would be.If you went by the normal rule then regular girallon zombies would have 14 hit dice and so make a DC 24 check, by challenge rating it would be DC 14.I would say that without special precautions most undead would be a knowledge 10 check to recognize that they are undead, as opposed to a golem or such, possibly with a synergy bonus from heal. Disguise/hide/bluff could be used in specific circumstances to increase the difficulty.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slaved, post: 3355170, member: 43358"] While mvincent is correct that there is a knowledge check of DC 10 + hit die that is more to identify a specific creature along with its powers and vulnerabilities. It is, in my opinion, a bad rule though as creatures hit dice do not make it more or less common in general nor is it a good indicator in this case since zombies have double the hit die of a normal creature. Challenge rating is a slightly better representation sometimes but I think it would still come down to whether the dm feels that the creature is common, uncommon, rare, or special in some way and what an appropriate DC would be. If you went by the normal rule then regular girallon zombies would have 14 hit dice and so make a DC 24 check, by challenge rating it would be DC 14. I would say that without special precautions most undead would be a knowledge 10 check to recognize that they are undead, as opposed to a golem or such, possibly with a synergy bonus from heal. Disguise/hide/bluff could be used in specific circumstances to increase the difficulty. [/QUOTE]

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