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<blockquote data-quote="Emberashh" data-source="post: 8972847" data-attributes="member: 7040941"><p>Its not gatekeeping to suggest people would be better off playing other games, because that advice applies regardless of what the issue is.</p><p></p><p>TTRPGs aren't just DND, and we shouldn't be doublespeaking our way into forcing DND to be this everything to everyone game that it fundamentally can't be while lamenting that so few are even willing to play anything else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you go to people that suggest that Mausritter or Hero Kids is better to start kids on than 5E and accuse them of being intolerant gatekeepers, or do you recognize that some people have games better suited for who they are and that it isn't intolerant to encourage them to play those games instead of frustrating themselves with a game that fundamentally can't cater to their needs without alienating its own fans?</p><p></p><p>Theres a reason I pointed to DCS World specifically. That isn't a game one can just pick up and play, and you can't change that without fundamentally altering what the game even is.</p><p></p><p>And meanwhile, if we look beyond DND in the TTRPG space, theres Pathfinder thats distinctly more complex to engage with as a player.</p><p></p><p>Is it gatekeeping to tell people who want something simpler than that to play a game thats already suited to their tastes, or is that just normal ass advice we tell people trying to squeeze blood from a stone?</p><p></p><p>Id sure hope its the latter, cause otherwise you're calling out that entire community for "intolerant gatekeeping" because they don't want to encourage people putting so much effort into warping the game into something else, when people already have options for something else available to them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emberashh, post: 8972847, member: 7040941"] Its not gatekeeping to suggest people would be better off playing other games, because that advice applies regardless of what the issue is. TTRPGs aren't just DND, and we shouldn't be doublespeaking our way into forcing DND to be this everything to everyone game that it fundamentally can't be while lamenting that so few are even willing to play anything else. Do you go to people that suggest that Mausritter or Hero Kids is better to start kids on than 5E and accuse them of being intolerant gatekeepers, or do you recognize that some people have games better suited for who they are and that it isn't intolerant to encourage them to play those games instead of frustrating themselves with a game that fundamentally can't cater to their needs without alienating its own fans? Theres a reason I pointed to DCS World specifically. That isn't a game one can just pick up and play, and you can't change that without fundamentally altering what the game even is. And meanwhile, if we look beyond DND in the TTRPG space, theres Pathfinder thats distinctly more complex to engage with as a player. Is it gatekeeping to tell people who want something simpler than that to play a game thats already suited to their tastes, or is that just normal ass advice we tell people trying to squeeze blood from a stone? Id sure hope its the latter, cause otherwise you're calling out that entire community for "intolerant gatekeeping" because they don't want to encourage people putting so much effort into warping the game into something else, when people already have options for something else available to them. [/QUOTE]
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