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<blockquote data-quote="Laurefindel" data-source="post: 7424144" data-attributes="member: 67296"><p>Good document. My comment is more about language than content. While it's pretty easy to get what you want to convey, sometimes it's not clear whether the bonus action refers to an attack or the Attack action, or another action altogether, especially for those who haven't acquired full mastery of the 5e ruleset. I would suggest adopting a formulation closer to that used in DMG and PHB. Let's use Leg Sweep as an example:</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Leg Sweep]</p><p>Leg Sweep</p><p>Required: Reach or Quarterstaff</p><p>You make a low swing attempting to sweep out the legs from under your target. Spend your bonus action and take -5 penalty to the Attack roll. If it hits, the target takes half damage and must make a STR save (DC=8+STR or DEX + Prof) or be knocked prone.</p><p>[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>D&D, has mostly used "prerequisite" rather than "required" in the past, but that's a minor nitpick. Also, i might be looking for the "reach" weapon and not find it next to the quarterstaff and other weapons, because it's a quality (or be looking for the quarterstaff quality). It might be better to say "Quarterstaff, or a reach weapon". Again, small nitpick.</p><p></p><p>Fluff text is short, concise and flavourful. That's good. </p><p></p><p>In 5e, one doesn't "spend" a bonus action. 5e usually uses "you can use a bonus action to...", or "as a bonus action, you can..." 5e also uses "if successful..." or "if the attack is successful", along with "on a hit" or "when you hit a creature with a melee attack"</p><p></p><p>As written, it isn't clear if the DC offers two formulae: either (8+STR) or (DEX+prof), or 8+(STR or DEX)+prof. It may be better to spell it out like in the PHB.</p><p></p><p>Also, it isn't clear here whether Leg Sweep applies to one of your attacks if you have more than one, replaces your Attack action altogether, or if this bonus action is a additional attack on top of those from your Attack action, or if it can be applied to an attack as a reaction. I assume it is supposed to be one of your attacks during your turn when you take the Attack action. In which case, I'd suggest something like:</p><p></p><p>"As a bonus action, when you take the Attack action on your turn, you can replace one of your attacks with a Leg Sweep attack. When you do so, make an attack roll with a -5 penalty. If the attack is successful, the target take half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus."</p><p></p><p>alternatively, you could use:</p><p></p><p>"When you take the Attack action on your turn, you can forgo one of your attacks and use a bonus action to make a special Leg Sweep attack. When you do so, make an attack roll with a -5 penalty. If the attack is successful, the target takes half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus."</p><p></p><p>or, if Leg Sweep is meant to be used with any type of attack whatsoever, you could use the following:</p><p></p><p>"Before you make an attack with a quarterstaff or reach weapon you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll to make a special Leg Sweep attack. If the attack is successful, the target takes half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus."</p><p></p><p>I'm AFB at the moment so I'm writing out of the SRD right now, but look into the Open-Hand Monk, the Battlemaster Fighter and the Great Weapon Master feat entries for example of 5e-speach.</p><p></p><p>'findel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Laurefindel, post: 7424144, member: 67296"] Good document. My comment is more about language than content. While it's pretty easy to get what you want to convey, sometimes it's not clear whether the bonus action refers to an attack or the Attack action, or another action altogether, especially for those who haven't acquired full mastery of the 5e ruleset. I would suggest adopting a formulation closer to that used in DMG and PHB. Let's use Leg Sweep as an example: [sblock=Leg Sweep] Leg Sweep Required: Reach or Quarterstaff You make a low swing attempting to sweep out the legs from under your target. Spend your bonus action and take -5 penalty to the Attack roll. If it hits, the target takes half damage and must make a STR save (DC=8+STR or DEX + Prof) or be knocked prone. [/sblock] D&D, has mostly used "prerequisite" rather than "required" in the past, but that's a minor nitpick. Also, i might be looking for the "reach" weapon and not find it next to the quarterstaff and other weapons, because it's a quality (or be looking for the quarterstaff quality). It might be better to say "Quarterstaff, or a reach weapon". Again, small nitpick. Fluff text is short, concise and flavourful. That's good. In 5e, one doesn't "spend" a bonus action. 5e usually uses "you can use a bonus action to...", or "as a bonus action, you can..." 5e also uses "if successful..." or "if the attack is successful", along with "on a hit" or "when you hit a creature with a melee attack" As written, it isn't clear if the DC offers two formulae: either (8+STR) or (DEX+prof), or 8+(STR or DEX)+prof. It may be better to spell it out like in the PHB. Also, it isn't clear here whether Leg Sweep applies to one of your attacks if you have more than one, replaces your Attack action altogether, or if this bonus action is a additional attack on top of those from your Attack action, or if it can be applied to an attack as a reaction. I assume it is supposed to be one of your attacks during your turn when you take the Attack action. In which case, I'd suggest something like: "As a bonus action, when you take the Attack action on your turn, you can replace one of your attacks with a Leg Sweep attack. When you do so, make an attack roll with a -5 penalty. If the attack is successful, the target take half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus." alternatively, you could use: "When you take the Attack action on your turn, you can forgo one of your attacks and use a bonus action to make a special Leg Sweep attack. When you do so, make an attack roll with a -5 penalty. If the attack is successful, the target takes half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus." or, if Leg Sweep is meant to be used with any type of attack whatsoever, you could use the following: "Before you make an attack with a quarterstaff or reach weapon you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll to make a special Leg Sweep attack. If the attack is successful, the target takes half as much damage and must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be knocked prone. The saving throw DC for this attack is 8 + your Strength or Dexterity modifier + your proficiency bonus." I'm AFB at the moment so I'm writing out of the SRD right now, but look into the Open-Hand Monk, the Battlemaster Fighter and the Great Weapon Master feat entries for example of 5e-speach. 'findel [/QUOTE]
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