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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 550613" data-attributes="member: 1465">I never thought for 1 second that your brain got damaged. Exactly in the same way that your muscle, tendins and movement capacity is not necessarily damaged as well: nowhere it says that dropping below 0 means your muscles are necessarily broken, and in fact you may drop unconscious for many many other reasons (drowning, subdual damage, spells...), at least nothing says you are less likely to get unconscious because you got hurt on your head, which may mean temporary brain damage. In fact never I thought you "forget" things, you simply can't recall them because you can't think at the moment.As for "You still have all the mental capacity that you had before you were unconscious", are you kidding? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Well, if you mean that you don't become less Intelligent because when you wake up you're still as clever as before, that's of course true, but WHILE you're unconscious you are totally unable to use your intelligence, can you?About "Cha stays the same because you can still effect the outside world with how you look. Looks are part of personal magnetism which cha mainly represents, not the looks but the personal magnetism", well I think it's quite a personal view. Charisma is a complex mix of things that gives you easiness in making other people do what you want them to do. I agree that look helps, but what you call "magnetism" I believe it comes from gestures, voice intonations, facial expressions, way of looking into the eyes... At least as unconscious you are NOT going the others to do what you want: do you think an Orc in front of the unsconscious stunningly beautiful princess would think she's too beautiful to really kidnap rather than she's too beautiful not to eat her? Or worse...-------------------------------------------------------------------------------About Will saves: as what I think "Will" means in English (I may be wrong, since I'm not English), you are not really willing much when unconscious. 99% of the spells which require a Will save are mind-affecting, therefore I think they DON'T WORK on unconscious creature, as much as they don't work on objects: that's EXACTLY why I wrote "treated as Wis NONE" and NOT "treated as Wis 0", which would have given you a -5, and it's a completely different thing.You may instead play that you can still be targetted by such a spell when unconscious, the spell doesn't automatically fail, and make the ST normally, that's fine as well. But you're definitely not going to see any effect of the spell until you wake up again (now that I think, a Sleep spell may be a little different <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />).Btw, I'm sure there are some spells with a Will save that are not mind-affecting, and in that case I'd rather go with the -5 to resist them. Still strikes me odd that willpower is a passive ability <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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