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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guilt Puppy" data-source="post: 551614" data-attributes="member: 6521">"It takes effect when they wake up" doesn't really clarify all Will saves...For instance, there's a Balor on the ground. It's dropping toward -10 fast, so your Cleric thinks fast and casts Dismissal on it (because, as you'll recall, Balors basically explode when they die.)Now, Will negates for Dismissal... So, do you treat it any differently because it's unconscious? Does the spell automatically fail? Succeed? Take effect when it wakes up (but what if it doesn't wake up -- is it just "Boom?")Personally, I would have it make the saving throw as normal... I've seen nothing in the rules to indicate that it shouldn't, and logically I can't picture the spell not working simply because the creature is dying... Or automatically working, for that matter.By extension, I'd treat most Will saves the same way... You still have a mind while unconscious, it's just that you can't do anything with it. So in most cases, they wouldn't "take effect" until you awoke (assuming you did), but that's only because their effects wouldn't be at all visible.I'd think the debate on the topic is interesting though, and I can see the arguments against mind-effecting spells working... Another odd scenario is Detect Thoughts: Even if it worked, what would you (as DM) describe?</blockquote>