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<blockquote data-quote="DarkMaster" data-source="post: 1658569" data-attributes="member: 16362"><p>Here is the key to our argumentation. Without your whole list of house rule we cannot say how having DEX fits. But in the system as it is with AC using DEX to hit without any feat don't make much sense. Dex allow you to hit the target but strenght will let you go through their armor. The whole AC system is based on that fact.</p><p></p><p>I saw a lot of people come with all kind of incredibly complex combat rule because they felt it was more realistic. But more often than not when you compare the real efficiency of various combination in both system you realised that the abstract D&D system hold the road more than you were expecting. And his complete enough to give very interesting and heroic combat. In a six second round you attack more than once and your opponent parry a lot of your attack. A 5 round combat last 30 seconds that is quite long in the real world.</p><p></p><p>My argument is not against your idea that Dex is probably useful in combat as his intelligence, wisdom, constitution, strength and even charisma but are you going to introduce all those bonus in the attack. An intelligent fighter will use clever strategy, the wise fighter will always waits for the appropriate moments to hit where it hurts more instead of hiting at every single opportunity and will only move when necessary. The high constitution fighter will resist certain blow better and will fight longuer, the strong fighter well it's obvious, the charismatic fighter will bluff or intimidate </p><p>his opponent.But the D&D system combat system is based on the STR and AC. Like I said before a system based on touch attack and DR would use DEX to touch but this is not the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>About Alexander the great. a Fighter 20 with 14 str will fight much better than a fighter 1 with 20 str. Having a good intelligence, wisdom and charisma usually allow you to survive longuer and therefore gain more experience and therefore gain more level. STR is not everything, combat technique, speed, intelligent positioning, quickness of execution in combat are not represented by Dex they are represented by level, experience and practice if you want, like the ability to cast magic. A wizard 1 with INT 20 is not as good a caster as a wizards 6 with int 13.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DarkMaster, post: 1658569, member: 16362"] Here is the key to our argumentation. Without your whole list of house rule we cannot say how having DEX fits. But in the system as it is with AC using DEX to hit without any feat don't make much sense. Dex allow you to hit the target but strenght will let you go through their armor. The whole AC system is based on that fact. I saw a lot of people come with all kind of incredibly complex combat rule because they felt it was more realistic. But more often than not when you compare the real efficiency of various combination in both system you realised that the abstract D&D system hold the road more than you were expecting. And his complete enough to give very interesting and heroic combat. In a six second round you attack more than once and your opponent parry a lot of your attack. A 5 round combat last 30 seconds that is quite long in the real world. My argument is not against your idea that Dex is probably useful in combat as his intelligence, wisdom, constitution, strength and even charisma but are you going to introduce all those bonus in the attack. An intelligent fighter will use clever strategy, the wise fighter will always waits for the appropriate moments to hit where it hurts more instead of hiting at every single opportunity and will only move when necessary. The high constitution fighter will resist certain blow better and will fight longuer, the strong fighter well it's obvious, the charismatic fighter will bluff or intimidate his opponent.But the D&D system combat system is based on the STR and AC. Like I said before a system based on touch attack and DR would use DEX to touch but this is not the case. About Alexander the great. a Fighter 20 with 14 str will fight much better than a fighter 1 with 20 str. Having a good intelligence, wisdom and charisma usually allow you to survive longuer and therefore gain more experience and therefore gain more level. STR is not everything, combat technique, speed, intelligent positioning, quickness of execution in combat are not represented by Dex they are represented by level, experience and practice if you want, like the ability to cast magic. A wizard 1 with INT 20 is not as good a caster as a wizards 6 with int 13. [/QUOTE]
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