Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Rocket your D&D 5E and Level Up: Advanced 5E games into space! Alpha Star Magazine Is Launching... Right Now!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
DI and other Supplements are not "core" Core
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 3761584" data-attributes="member: 33060"><p>Precisely! Now, add the "core" designation to less of the available material and, conversely, add the "core" designation to more of the material, and compare.</p><p></p><p>Where "core" is limited to only a few books - a narrow definition of "core" - the disparity is lessened. Where "core" is applied broadly or expansively to more books - more like what is now "official" - the disparity grows.</p><p></p><p>So, is this disparity a bad thing? You seem to think it will have no effect on conversations among gamers. You call the idea "silly." I could trade epithets with you and characterize your position but I'm not going to do that. Rather, I will say that, IMO, when "core" is limited to only a few books, more people can have full access to the "core" and that this level knowledge base better encourages conversation. Conversely, an unequal knowledge level will tend to make conversations more one sided in favor of the party who has the unequal advantage.</p><p></p><p>For example, lets just take a hypothetical 4.0 PH and PH 2 to keep things simple. I own the PH. You own both the PH and PH2. Lets say we are discussing a rule that is presented in the PH and further discussed and tweaked in PH2. If just the PH is "core," I can discuss the matter with you with full confidence I know what I'm talking about in so far as the core rules go. However, if both the PH and PH2 are "core" however, I don't know what might be in the PH2 and in any discussion it would be a simpler matter for you to cite to the PH2 and, having surpassed my knowledge level, leave me with nothing further to really say because my knowledge is limited to just the PH.</p><p></p><p>If you honestly have never seen one party to a conversation leverage their superior knowledge of a ruleset to shut down someone with whom they are arguing or discussing something, all I can say is that you are very fortunate. Again, one need go no further than ENWorld to see the tactic when conversations grow testy. Most commonly it manifests around setting discussons where setting "canon" equates to "core." Someone who has more of the Planescape, FR, etc. "core" will shut down someone with whom they are arguing by quoting some obscure passage from a book they own but the other does not. Game. Set. Match.</p><p></p><p>If in 4.0 "core" becomes expansive, much like "official" now, it is my opinion that we will see the sort of setting discussions described above become far more common but on the nature of the rules themselves. This will fragment folks into the "core" haves - who buy everything "core" - and the "core" have nots - who can't or won't buy everything. You may not see this as a problem in the social dynamic of RPGs. I hope you're right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GVDammerung, post: 3761584, member: 33060"] Precisely! Now, add the "core" designation to less of the available material and, conversely, add the "core" designation to more of the material, and compare. Where "core" is limited to only a few books - a narrow definition of "core" - the disparity is lessened. Where "core" is applied broadly or expansively to more books - more like what is now "official" - the disparity grows. So, is this disparity a bad thing? You seem to think it will have no effect on conversations among gamers. You call the idea "silly." I could trade epithets with you and characterize your position but I'm not going to do that. Rather, I will say that, IMO, when "core" is limited to only a few books, more people can have full access to the "core" and that this level knowledge base better encourages conversation. Conversely, an unequal knowledge level will tend to make conversations more one sided in favor of the party who has the unequal advantage. For example, lets just take a hypothetical 4.0 PH and PH 2 to keep things simple. I own the PH. You own both the PH and PH2. Lets say we are discussing a rule that is presented in the PH and further discussed and tweaked in PH2. If just the PH is "core," I can discuss the matter with you with full confidence I know what I'm talking about in so far as the core rules go. However, if both the PH and PH2 are "core" however, I don't know what might be in the PH2 and in any discussion it would be a simpler matter for you to cite to the PH2 and, having surpassed my knowledge level, leave me with nothing further to really say because my knowledge is limited to just the PH. If you honestly have never seen one party to a conversation leverage their superior knowledge of a ruleset to shut down someone with whom they are arguing or discussing something, all I can say is that you are very fortunate. Again, one need go no further than ENWorld to see the tactic when conversations grow testy. Most commonly it manifests around setting discussons where setting "canon" equates to "core." Someone who has more of the Planescape, FR, etc. "core" will shut down someone with whom they are arguing by quoting some obscure passage from a book they own but the other does not. Game. Set. Match. If in 4.0 "core" becomes expansive, much like "official" now, it is my opinion that we will see the sort of setting discussions described above become far more common but on the nature of the rules themselves. This will fragment folks into the "core" haves - who buy everything "core" - and the "core" have nots - who can't or won't buy everything. You may not see this as a problem in the social dynamic of RPGs. I hope you're right. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
DI and other Supplements are not "core" Core
Top