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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8971767" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Are you joking?</p><p></p><p>Both Multiverse of Madness and Thor 4 were unarguably campy.</p><p></p><p>Look it's in the headlines here: </p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2022/7/6/23195363/thor-love-and-thunder-review-movie-marvel-chris-hemsworth-natalie-portman-christian-bale[/URL]</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://utpolunderground.com/sam-raimi-delivers-gleeful-campy-horror-with-the-uneven-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>I can find more examples if you want. </p><p></p><p>And nothing? This is on you. You are blinding yourself. Just look at Knives Out! and it's recent sequel - Glass Onion - that's high camp! That's not even just campy that's barely short of a Carry On movie! Even The Batman, which was kind of noir, bordered on camp at times (as Batman movies are wont to do).</p><p></p><p>Comedies are absolutely still popular and successful, and comedic elements in movies, which sort of faded a bit in some genres '90s and '00s are back with a vengeance. Comedy movies, specifically, are a bit less common, but so are non-superhero action movies, thrillers, and so on. That's an impact streaming has had. There's a bit less of a clean line between comedy and other genres, today, perhaps that's an issue you're seeing?</p><p></p><p>It's not me "not seeing it", this is a genuine misperception on your part. One that is easy to show as a misperception, because you keep making examples that are trivially disproven, like the "campy" one.</p><p></p><p>I mean, but that's not recent. That's pre-pandemic. That period happened, but that period is over. And you are specifically saying this is happening now. There was a period from like Civil War through Endgame - 3-4 years - where the MCU was on average, "kinda dark" compared to previous stuff, but it's course-corrected since then.</p><p></p><p>You were saying this was factual, not merely perception - that's my issue here - this is a perception on your part, and it's demonstrably wrong to assert it as a fact.</p><p></p><p>It absolutely does have well-defined themes, and they go a long way beyond "tyranny = bad". There's whole lot of critique of celebrity culture, mass media, what people want to watch and so on, as well as points about dehumanization (including self-dehumanization). The first film is weaker than the second film, though.</p><p></p><p>Sure, but you're demonstrably misunderstanding the themes. You just demonstrated it with Hunger Games.</p><p></p><p>And you're changing your point here from "man the media is full of dark fantasy and dystopias" (demonstrably wrong - again 10+ years ago it would have been closer to true) to something different - perhaps "I only want to watch/read stuff that is immediately obviously not dark and doesn't contain dystopian elements". That's fine - but there's never been a huge glut of that stuff, given how broadly you're defining dark. That's also about you, not about how the media is, and obviously no-one can argue that you must like things you don't. But when put that as a claim that the media is doing stuff it isn't, rather than a simple desire for certain types of media, that's when idiots like me decide to argue the toss.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8971767, member: 18"] Are you joking? Both Multiverse of Madness and Thor 4 were unarguably campy. Look it's in the headlines here: [URL unfurl="true"]https://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2022/7/6/23195363/thor-love-and-thunder-review-movie-marvel-chris-hemsworth-natalie-portman-christian-bale[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://utpolunderground.com/sam-raimi-delivers-gleeful-campy-horror-with-the-uneven-doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness/[/URL] I can find more examples if you want. And nothing? This is on you. You are blinding yourself. Just look at Knives Out! and it's recent sequel - Glass Onion - that's high camp! That's not even just campy that's barely short of a Carry On movie! Even The Batman, which was kind of noir, bordered on camp at times (as Batman movies are wont to do). Comedies are absolutely still popular and successful, and comedic elements in movies, which sort of faded a bit in some genres '90s and '00s are back with a vengeance. Comedy movies, specifically, are a bit less common, but so are non-superhero action movies, thrillers, and so on. That's an impact streaming has had. There's a bit less of a clean line between comedy and other genres, today, perhaps that's an issue you're seeing? It's not me "not seeing it", this is a genuine misperception on your part. One that is easy to show as a misperception, because you keep making examples that are trivially disproven, like the "campy" one. I mean, but that's not recent. That's pre-pandemic. That period happened, but that period is over. And you are specifically saying this is happening now. There was a period from like Civil War through Endgame - 3-4 years - where the MCU was on average, "kinda dark" compared to previous stuff, but it's course-corrected since then. You were saying this was factual, not merely perception - that's my issue here - this is a perception on your part, and it's demonstrably wrong to assert it as a fact. It absolutely does have well-defined themes, and they go a long way beyond "tyranny = bad". There's whole lot of critique of celebrity culture, mass media, what people want to watch and so on, as well as points about dehumanization (including self-dehumanization). The first film is weaker than the second film, though. Sure, but you're demonstrably misunderstanding the themes. You just demonstrated it with Hunger Games. And you're changing your point here from "man the media is full of dark fantasy and dystopias" (demonstrably wrong - again 10+ years ago it would have been closer to true) to something different - perhaps "I only want to watch/read stuff that is immediately obviously not dark and doesn't contain dystopian elements". That's fine - but there's never been a huge glut of that stuff, given how broadly you're defining dark. That's also about you, not about how the media is, and obviously no-one can argue that you must like things you don't. But when put that as a claim that the media is doing stuff it isn't, rather than a simple desire for certain types of media, that's when idiots like me decide to argue the toss. [/QUOTE]
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