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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 4104518" data-attributes="member: 29014">Actually, they really don't, if that is your problem in the first place <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I just wanted to get you to agree that all characters in the world would have to know that they live in a world where movement on an invisible (but testable by a character in the world by running and seeing if you go 1.414 times as fast) diagonal axis makes you go faster.  You'd get scenarios like "It's 1200 miles to Country Y--I don't think we can make it in time.  It'll take 2 months." "No, if we go around here like this and take a different trajectory, we can hit the diagonal axis and move 1.414 times of fast, so we can make it in 1.414 months."  Once we've got to the point where we both agree that this is an entirely necessary requirement of using the 1-1-1-1 rules, that's as far as I can take you with logic.  After that, it all comes down to taste.  I respect the fact that you're cool with the implications.  I would hope you can respect the opinion of those who think that the cost of such weirdness is far more profound than the cost of 1-2-1-2-1 to those I've played with (because to everyone I've ever played with, the latter was a null cost).  For someone whose group had problems with 1-2-1-2-1, the 1-1-1-1-1 might be a great idea.  Awesome!  I'm not here to convince you not to use it, actually--I respect that choice.  The great thing is that it will be absurdly easy to houserule 1-1-1-1-1 away, seemingly with no adverse consequences elsewhere, if I convert to 4e (I'm one of those fence-sitters).  I'm actually more-or-less done if you agree with me on the necessity of the in-game knowledge of diagonal speed-up.  I can't see why so many people on my side (the 1-2-1-2-1 side) feel the need to proselytise so much and moan about it (oh, wait, right, it's the internet <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />)</blockquote>

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