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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 858417" data-attributes="member: 5100">Something I've noticed is that there are two different categories of &quot;diceless&quot; games.Games that use other randomizers (cards, etc.) are technically diceless, but it always annoys me to see the term applied to them.&nbsp; Games in this category are no more diceless than D20 is.&nbsp; After all, my group all have Palms with randomizer apps on them.&nbsp; No dice needed.&nbsp; OD&amp;D used cardboard chits (which are, basically, really small cards), so it's &quot;diceless&quot;, too.True diceless games are like Amber that doesn't have any formal randomizers.&nbsp; No cards, no spinners, nothing.There's also a middle category of games that do things like dealing the player some cards to start the game, but the player always chooses which card to play.&nbsp; I've never played it, but my understanding is that Castle Falkenstein fell into this category.&nbsp; These &quot;semi-diceless&quot; games try to take the better features of both.Sorry, I guess that was something of a rant.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 858417, member: 5100"] Something I've noticed is that there are two different categories of "diceless" games. Games that use other randomizers (cards, etc.) are technically diceless, but it always annoys me to see the term applied to them. Games in this category are no more diceless than D20 is. After all, my group all have Palms with randomizer apps on them. No dice needed. OD&D used cardboard chits (which are, basically, really small cards), so it's "diceless", too. True diceless games are like Amber that doesn't have any formal randomizers. No cards, no spinners, nothing. There's also a middle category of games that do things like dealing the player some cards to start the game, but the player always chooses which card to play. I've never played it, but my understanding is that Castle Falkenstein fell into this category. These "semi-diceless" games try to take the better features of both. Sorry, I guess that was something of a rant. [/QUOTE]

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