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Did 5e 2024 Not meet the economic goals set, and if not, why not?
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<blockquote data-quote="UngainlyTitan" data-source="post: 9703540" data-attributes="member: 28487"><p>Probably for some. The subclasses are mostly doable, in 2024 they start at level 3 and after that (AFAIK) they follow the old sub class progressions from there out. So, change to level 3 stuff to the old subclass starting level.</p><p>The biggest issue would arise, if some element of the subclass plays off an element in the base class that is not present in the 2014 version of the class. Can't think of an example off the top of my head but not going to say there is no issue.</p><p></p><p>Individually the fixes would not be that hard, change the subclass, add something to the baseclass or adopt the 2024 baseclass into your game. </p><p>In my opinion both versions of classes will work fine side by side. Now I would favour using only one version of spells. But I could see a table with 2 different casters casting different version of counterspell and being happy with it. </p><p>I am less sure that 2 different casters casting different version of Cure Wounds would be happy about it.</p><p></p><p>Of the stuff that WoTC publishes subclasses would be the most difficult to adopt to the old rules. Not a lot of work needed but some care would be required.</p><p>Races and backgrounds will have some issues but are minor to resolve. I think that [USER=54840]@SlyFlourish[/USER] recommends that when using classes, races and backgrounds that the +2,+1 for primary and secondary stats are incorporated directly into the statblocks and any ASI from species, race, or background is ignored. </p><p>Feats, spells, magic items can be used as is and new spell can be incorporated without change as there is little or no change to the expectations or casting mechanics relating to spells.</p><p>New classes can be incorporated in as it with no change, since classes in 5e are pretty self contained.</p><p></p><p>Of the kinds of books that WoTC publishes, the ones least likely to be bought by players of the 2014 version are likely to be books with a lot of player facing mechanics, your Tasha's and Xanathar's, followed by source books with lots of player facing mechanics, the new Ebberon book or probably the new FR books. Books like Fizban's or adventure collections or APs should retain their attractiveness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngainlyTitan, post: 9703540, member: 28487"] Probably for some. The subclasses are mostly doable, in 2024 they start at level 3 and after that (AFAIK) they follow the old sub class progressions from there out. So, change to level 3 stuff to the old subclass starting level. The biggest issue would arise, if some element of the subclass plays off an element in the base class that is not present in the 2014 version of the class. Can't think of an example off the top of my head but not going to say there is no issue. Individually the fixes would not be that hard, change the subclass, add something to the baseclass or adopt the 2024 baseclass into your game. In my opinion both versions of classes will work fine side by side. Now I would favour using only one version of spells. But I could see a table with 2 different casters casting different version of counterspell and being happy with it. I am less sure that 2 different casters casting different version of Cure Wounds would be happy about it. Of the stuff that WoTC publishes subclasses would be the most difficult to adopt to the old rules. Not a lot of work needed but some care would be required. Races and backgrounds will have some issues but are minor to resolve. I think that [USER=54840]@SlyFlourish[/USER] recommends that when using classes, races and backgrounds that the +2,+1 for primary and secondary stats are incorporated directly into the statblocks and any ASI from species, race, or background is ignored. Feats, spells, magic items can be used as is and new spell can be incorporated without change as there is little or no change to the expectations or casting mechanics relating to spells. New classes can be incorporated in as it with no change, since classes in 5e are pretty self contained. Of the kinds of books that WoTC publishes, the ones least likely to be bought by players of the 2014 version are likely to be books with a lot of player facing mechanics, your Tasha's and Xanathar's, followed by source books with lots of player facing mechanics, the new Ebberon book or probably the new FR books. Books like Fizban's or adventure collections or APs should retain their attractiveness. [/QUOTE]
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