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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8054822" data-attributes="member: 4348">Real D&D, or that written or based upon that game which was created by Arneson and Gygax...yes...it died for the most part when 3e was published.  If people wanted to see that game continue, it would have been better if it were never bought by WoTC.  3e was about as much D&D as Diablo and Diablo 2 were D&D.  Sure, there are a great many similarities, but they are basically different games.3e started a new trend, that where you replaced the entire system with another incompatible system when you declared a new edition.  Thus, when 4e came out it wasn't really compatible with 3.X, and when 5e came out, it wasn't really compatible with 4e.  It's behind the idea that books sell, and core rules are the best sellers, so why not force everyone to buy a new set of core rules.  Now there are similarities between D20 that came out, and AD&D (just like there are similarities between Palladium Roleplaying or RIFTS and D&D), but in essence they are different games. The creators of D20 took many ideas of D&D and AD&D and from that created their own game, got the rights to the title of D&D...and slapped it on their game instead of the old systems.For Americans, a similar idea would be if Burger King bought Mcdonalds...then slapped the name Mcdonalds on every Burger King.  They still sell hamburgers and fries, they still have chicken nuggets, and at the core they may look the same as they ever were from the outside...but in truth...Burger King is NOT Mcdonalds.  People may say Burger King's owner saved Mcdonalds...but did it really...or did it just slap the Mcdonalds name on something similar and forever kill off the actual McDonalds.  You no longer have Big Macs (varied XP leveling), and Mcdonald Fries as they made them are a thing of the past (AD&D multiclassing).  You no longer have Chicken McNuggets (vancian casting that can be disrupted easily and saving throws as they used to be) even if you still have Chicken Nuggets (you still have vancian casting of sorts, and concentration checks...but they aren't really the same as the past).So, yes, AD&D and the original D&D game and their legacy were killed when TSR died.But this is in the past.  Mine is an unpopular opinion today.  It's long gone.  These arguments are from a time decades ago.  This was already talked about in far too much detail in times past.  Much like how modern face cards have changed how card games are played from how they were with tarot decks (for most at least, most don't even know about tarot decks, much less how to play games with them, at least for the couple hundred or more years), the D&D now is NOT the same D&D as it used to be.And, though I was NOT okay with it back then, I have grown to live with it now, and so now...it's okay as life has gone on, the world hasn't ended, and people are still playing Roleplaying games and things they call D&D, even if it's not what D&D was originally envisioned to be.  Considering the world today, that might even be a good thing considering some of the relics of D&D's past in relation to modern concerns that have risen up in recent times.  Those times of arguments in the past probably are better left buried, and the games of today for the current generation are probably a better fit for many of the issues of today.  We have more empathy (or I think many do) for those who were discriminated in the past, or profiled or stereotyped in ways that were offensive, ways that AD&D and the old D&D were not designed to deal with, but new games and new RPGs being made now...can be.And in that way, for D&D as it is called today, being able to be designed in consideration of modern day ethics and culture, is probably a better thing to see than holding onto relics of the past for the new generationPS: And, with that said, even though D20 killed AD&D Dead...dead...dead...along with OD&D and BECMI and BX, they had a short rerelease several years ago, and now are available on DMS guild...so while dead in most ways...they are still allowed to be seen and bought by the few curious individuals who wish to see what the game used to be all about...and the old relics like me who still play.</blockquote>

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