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<blockquote data-quote="Tao" data-source="post: 4361490" data-attributes="member: 62326"><p>First of all, considering that (to my recollection anyways) you've worked fairly closely with the WizO team in the past, I would have thought you'd have a bit more professional courtesy than that. I can't speak for everyone in the company, but I can speak for my own handling of situations. Anything that makes its way to my desk is dealt with in the most professional and appropriate manner possible, and any valid criticism is passed up and evaluated. Its a fool who is unwilling to learn from the critique of others, and I consistently question anything that I believe might be a bad call regardless of who has made the call. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Despite an overall correct assessment of the situation, the fact that you seem unwilling to communicate in a civil manner seems to ensure that nothing you are saying will be taken as anything more than sour grapes and a chip on your shoulder. If you submitted that assessment through the proper channels in a more appropriate and businesslike tone you might have a chance of actually helping the situation. Instead of... you know... whining impotently on the internetz.</p><p></p><p>I'm not even going to bother responding to the professional snipe against the moderating staff of the WotC boards, except to say that it is completely uncalled for and untrue. No posts are deleted without reason or documentation. Oftentimes the reason for deletion is stated by the moderator in the thread, unless doing so would violate the poster's privacy or make a specific poster look bad publicly. If there is no reason given or if you simply have a concern as to why your post was deleted, feel free to contact Customer Service and ask for the reason. Be sure to include a link to the thread in your inquiry. We'll be happy to explain.</p><p></p><p>As a former Admin WizO, I can make the same claim on a whole lot of fronts. However, there are productive and nonproductive ways to approach the situation. I know "ranting against the man" and talking about how "you'd do it better" gets lots of internet street cred around here... but lets face it... its not helping anything but your own ego.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Pretty much spot on assessment, in my opinion. I was (and continue to be) REALLY surprised that they chose to go .asp for Gleemax and the SSO, especially considering that there are fairly good .php solutions readily available. I can only assume that it has to do with the eventual SSO plans for Gleemax, Forums, DDI, and MO, but I am just a peon, so I am not privy to any of that information. Plus, I couldn't share even if I knew.</p><p></p><p>Oddly enough, when Gleemax was first announced the Admin WizO team had a pow-wow one night to hash out how <em>we</em> would do it given the chance. It was strictly theoretical in nature and, again, didn't take into account DDI or MO or other applications, but it was a lot more straightforward.</p><p></p><p>::shrug::</p><p></p><p>Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose. </p><p></p><p>Plus, its been a few years since I was the GUI designer of a major VOIP messenging company, so I may be forgetting how hard it is to get things past "corporate". Sometimes the solutions aren't a result of incompetent programmers. Sometimes its because the people upstairs want an impossible product at an impossible price. Working without the anchor of a major corporate entity holding down every decision is definitely a different experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tao, post: 4361490, member: 62326"] First of all, considering that (to my recollection anyways) you've worked fairly closely with the WizO team in the past, I would have thought you'd have a bit more professional courtesy than that. I can't speak for everyone in the company, but I can speak for my own handling of situations. Anything that makes its way to my desk is dealt with in the most professional and appropriate manner possible, and any valid criticism is passed up and evaluated. Its a fool who is unwilling to learn from the critique of others, and I consistently question anything that I believe might be a bad call regardless of who has made the call. Despite an overall correct assessment of the situation, the fact that you seem unwilling to communicate in a civil manner seems to ensure that nothing you are saying will be taken as anything more than sour grapes and a chip on your shoulder. If you submitted that assessment through the proper channels in a more appropriate and businesslike tone you might have a chance of actually helping the situation. Instead of... you know... whining impotently on the internetz. I'm not even going to bother responding to the professional snipe against the moderating staff of the WotC boards, except to say that it is completely uncalled for and untrue. No posts are deleted without reason or documentation. Oftentimes the reason for deletion is stated by the moderator in the thread, unless doing so would violate the poster's privacy or make a specific poster look bad publicly. If there is no reason given or if you simply have a concern as to why your post was deleted, feel free to contact Customer Service and ask for the reason. Be sure to include a link to the thread in your inquiry. We'll be happy to explain. As a former Admin WizO, I can make the same claim on a whole lot of fronts. However, there are productive and nonproductive ways to approach the situation. I know "ranting against the man" and talking about how "you'd do it better" gets lots of internet street cred around here... but lets face it... its not helping anything but your own ego. Pretty much spot on assessment, in my opinion. I was (and continue to be) REALLY surprised that they chose to go .asp for Gleemax and the SSO, especially considering that there are fairly good .php solutions readily available. I can only assume that it has to do with the eventual SSO plans for Gleemax, Forums, DDI, and MO, but I am just a peon, so I am not privy to any of that information. Plus, I couldn't share even if I knew. Oddly enough, when Gleemax was first announced the Admin WizO team had a pow-wow one night to hash out how [i]we[/i] would do it given the chance. It was strictly theoretical in nature and, again, didn't take into account DDI or MO or other applications, but it was a lot more straightforward. ::shrug:: Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose. Plus, its been a few years since I was the GUI designer of a major VOIP messenging company, so I may be forgetting how hard it is to get things past "corporate". Sometimes the solutions aren't a result of incompetent programmers. Sometimes its because the people upstairs want an impossible product at an impossible price. Working without the anchor of a major corporate entity holding down every decision is definitely a different experience. [/QUOTE]
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