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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Noumenon" data-source="post: 4612581" data-attributes="member: 70102">I want a table of DCs for 3.5 that gives the same odds of success as the 4E DCs.  I couldn't find one so I'm gonna talk out what I think so far.In 4E, for first level, an Easy check is DC 5.  You'll always succeed if you're trained and have +5; if you're untrained you probably have +2 and will succeed 90% of the time.  Medium is DC 10, which is 90% if you're trained and have a +3 and 65% if you're untrained.  Hard is DC 15 which is 65% trained and 40% untrained.We want to simulate this for 3.5 characters.  A "skilled" character can be one who maxes out the skill and has a +3 ability score bonus.  "Unskilled" can't just mean someone with no skill points, because then the Easy DC stays at 5 through all 20 levels and they can never make the maximum.  Perhaps we'll house-rule that everyone is considered to have all untrained skills as cross-class and maxed out, so an unskilled character gets at least +(level + 3)/2 to his checks.So a first level skill challenge: "skilled" has +7, "unskilled" has +2.  Easy: DC 5, Medium: DC 9, Hard: DC 14.   A 9th level skill challenge: "skilled" has +14, "unskilled" has +8.  Easy: DC 11, Medium: DC 17, Hard: DC 22.  Complexity stays the same where you have to get 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 successes before 3 failures.Is that it?  All I gotta do is fill out the table?  Did someone else do this yet?</blockquote>