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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 5265639" data-attributes="member: 177">Ah.  You see, when I look at 4e, that's not what I see at all.  I think they saw that online games had revealed some things about game design, in general, that were popular, and they decided to tap into some of that wisdom. I've seen no notable effort to market specifically to MMO players.  I merely see design elements that draw things from MMOs that are applicable to the tabletop.  Design is not marketing.  Marketing to non-gamers is the only way they have to get new people into the hobby.  You'd prefer the market leader engaged in navel-gazing, Orouborous-style business?The latter, of course, is true. The former remains an unsupported assertion - we don't have the sales information to tell.The change in scale between the two is pretty much the point.  When you get up on, say, a lazy Saturday morning, and you consider what you're going to do with your time, do you first ask yourself what RPG you're going to play today, or do you ask yourself if you're going to BBQ or go to the movies or maybe play an RPG?RPGs are a niche market, and WotC already has dominance, we are agreed on these points, yes?Well, then by definition, if WotC were to out-perform every other RPG, forcing them out of the market entirely, then they will less than double their business.  That's a whole lot of work, for a clearly limited return.  In a luxury market, once you have dominance, competing within that market is an exercise in diminishing returns - squabbling over crumbs. If it wants to grow to greater success, WotC needs to pick at something bigger than itself.I will see if I can find the post that made this clear to me, as it was extremely well-put.</blockquote>

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