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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5265816" data-attributes="member: 59506">Crap!  Pathfinder did come out first, or close enough as to be considered concurrent.  I kept thinking that 4E released first, but yeah, the Alpha of Pathfinder came out first.  The final version was after 4E but the argument could probably be made that it had the majority of it's fans with the Alpha version. Now I don't know what to think!  Damn You!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I guess it comes down to, as far as competing with eachother, whether one considers Pathfinder an extension of 3E/3.5E (3.75E?), or is it a completely different game.  If it's just an extension, I still don't think it's competing, as most of those who play it prefer it because it's esentially a continuation of 3E - and therefore not potential 4E customers anyways.  If they consider it a different game, and came to it that way, then it may just be in direct competition...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm    :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" /> However, you don't count! (just kidding)  It sounds like you would have stayed with Paizo, regardless of edition or system.  You're the exception that doesn't prove or disprove the rule...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  (see what I mean, you're muddying the waters, throwing off the curve, changing the premise...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)  I guess the competition thing isn't as black and white as I'd like to think. But, as to the OP, do I think WotC underestimated the Paizo effect (in light of their decisions and actions)?  I'd still have to say No.  In the end, I think WotC expected to not win over some people.  Whether some of those people went with, or stayed with, Paizo is incidental...they didn't expect to have them anyways.</blockquote>

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