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Did WotC underestimate the Paizo effect on 4E?
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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 5266084" data-attributes="member: 9053"><p>I think that this was a major mistake on WotC's part. As much as I love 4E, WotC simply can't write adventures that are as good as what Paizo does. I think they were under the impression that they could, and that it would be no big deal, but it is a seriously big deal to me.</p><p></p><p>For me, the best 4X adventure out there is War of the Burning Sky, which is produced by people here and not by WotC. After that, I rely on the opinions of people like Morrus who say some of the paragon adventures are more interesting, but I haven't bought them because of how poor the early ones were.</p><p></p><p>I've even stopped looking at Dungeon for the most part, because when I do I see nothing but "fight, skill challenge, fight, fight, the end." Strong and interesting modules do a lot to sell a game to people.</p><p></p><p>It's been a few years now, but my friends still talk about some of the adventures from Shackled City or Age of Worms. They're still talking about Burning Sky and how much fun the last battle we had was. Thunderspire Labyrinth? Keep on the Shadowfell? I'm not sure they could tell you anything about them. They do remember Pyramid of Shadows, but that's because it's where we stopped to start Burning Sky.</p><p></p><p>So if Paizo were onboard, I'd say that 4X would be a more vibrant edition. Of course I could do a similar thread about Pathfinder and rules (I'd say as good as Paizo is at adventures, their rules are about as good as WotC's adventures, which is to say not so good...). For me the Paizo does the adventures for WotC's rules is the perfect solution. I'm sad it didn't come to pass.</p><p></p><p>--Steve</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 5266084, member: 9053"] I think that this was a major mistake on WotC's part. As much as I love 4E, WotC simply can't write adventures that are as good as what Paizo does. I think they were under the impression that they could, and that it would be no big deal, but it is a seriously big deal to me. For me, the best 4X adventure out there is War of the Burning Sky, which is produced by people here and not by WotC. After that, I rely on the opinions of people like Morrus who say some of the paragon adventures are more interesting, but I haven't bought them because of how poor the early ones were. I've even stopped looking at Dungeon for the most part, because when I do I see nothing but "fight, skill challenge, fight, fight, the end." Strong and interesting modules do a lot to sell a game to people. It's been a few years now, but my friends still talk about some of the adventures from Shackled City or Age of Worms. They're still talking about Burning Sky and how much fun the last battle we had was. Thunderspire Labyrinth? Keep on the Shadowfell? I'm not sure they could tell you anything about them. They do remember Pyramid of Shadows, but that's because it's where we stopped to start Burning Sky. So if Paizo were onboard, I'd say that 4X would be a more vibrant edition. Of course I could do a similar thread about Pathfinder and rules (I'd say as good as Paizo is at adventures, their rules are about as good as WotC's adventures, which is to say not so good...). For me the Paizo does the adventures for WotC's rules is the perfect solution. I'm sad it didn't come to pass. --Steve [/QUOTE]
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