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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5267254" data-attributes="member: 6957">No, you'd roll your eyes in annoyance. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />I think that the folks saying that there are new players who's first experience being Pathfinder is where the competition kicks in may have the right of it, that and the folks that they in turn either bring into the hobby or convert from 4.0.I run a Pathfinder game for teens once a week or so, there was one temporary player (over for a visit) who was hard set on 4e, and wouldn't play 3.5. He was more than willing to play Pathfinder though.... (I admit it - I do not understand his reasoning.) He now has his own Pathfinder set, and plays both PF and 4e. The rest do not play 4e at all, though I think two of them do own the core three for 4e. For most of them Pathfinder is their first game, and the only one that they own books for.The Auld Grump</blockquote>