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Did WotC underestimate the Paizo effect on 4E?
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<blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5269761" data-attributes="member: 11300"><p>Not snarky at all.</p><p></p><p>However, I think they could have done it in a different way, trying to be more inclusive of their entire customer base. If the spin had have been more inclusive rather than alienating then they may have got more people on board judging the game on its merits rather than being turned off by the WotC "Marketing Machine".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The WotC quote from Olshanski is absolutely cringeworthy and perhaps with a little 20/20 hindsight is indicative of where WotC went wrong (and where in comparison, Paizo got it right).</p><p></p><p>It still comes across as:</p><p>- We still have the d20 but "these go to 21"!</p><p>- You want resolution in a single roll? Ain't gonna happen. You want to blunt combat effectiveness so that every combat length extends to a mathematically precise average? Our number-crunchers have made it happen!</p><p>- Have you ever failed to read your own ruleset and not realized that wizard's can get criticals? Well we have and now we've made sure that in 4e wizard's can now get criticals... no more of that playing a wizard and being envious of the fighter... [turns to his confused sidekick ("wait did I get that arse about")]</p><p>- Are you dumb enough to be confused by normal AC, touch AC and flat-footed AC? Well we're going to dogpile you with four, not three defenses and a truck full of modifiers so that you feel even dumber!</p><p></p><p>Best Regards</p><p>Herremann the Wise</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Herremann the Wise, post: 5269761, member: 11300"] Not snarky at all. However, I think they could have done it in a different way, trying to be more inclusive of their entire customer base. If the spin had have been more inclusive rather than alienating then they may have got more people on board judging the game on its merits rather than being turned off by the WotC "Marketing Machine". The WotC quote from Olshanski is absolutely cringeworthy and perhaps with a little 20/20 hindsight is indicative of where WotC went wrong (and where in comparison, Paizo got it right). It still comes across as: - We still have the d20 but "these go to 21"! - You want resolution in a single roll? Ain't gonna happen. You want to blunt combat effectiveness so that every combat length extends to a mathematically precise average? Our number-crunchers have made it happen! - Have you ever failed to read your own ruleset and not realized that wizard's can get criticals? Well we have and now we've made sure that in 4e wizard's can now get criticals... no more of that playing a wizard and being envious of the fighter... [turns to his confused sidekick ("wait did I get that arse about")] - Are you dumb enough to be confused by normal AC, touch AC and flat-footed AC? Well we're going to dogpile you with four, not three defenses and a truck full of modifiers so that you feel even dumber! Best Regards Herremann the Wise [/QUOTE]
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