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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5438536" data-attributes="member: 7883">I'm not making that assumption at all.  I *know* that some groups are doing both....my old group is doing that...they play 4E Fridays, I believe, and Pathfinder Sundays.  Now, that having been said, the ones I've talked with have mentioned they may be quitting the 4E game since they just don't really like it.Of course, whether that dislike is because of the game, the campaign, or the ruleset, I don't know. I don't have an answer to this one.What I would say as an assumption is that I *feel* it is reasonable that, given the multitude of edition wars, flame wars, articles, and general navel gazing regarding the popularity of 4E and the split in the fanbase, that a relatively large number of D&D consumers chose not to change to the new edition.If these consumers didn't change edition, then they became potential consumers of Pathfinder products.So, I'll admit this is an assumption.  The paragraphs above outline the line of thought I pursued to make that assumption.  By no means do I believe that I know even a decent percentage of the players in my area.  There are hundreds or possibly thousands.  I've probably gamed with maybe 20-30 of them in my city over the years.So when I say that everyone seemed to be changing, I developed that perception based on talking to people at the local FLGS, including the owners, and seeing the number of people buying into the new edition, seeing that all the games being run in the public game rooms were 4E, the owners of those shops were talking about how cool the new edition was, etc.On top of that, in my own group, opinion split.  Generally it seemed like the more casual players seemed reluctant to change, whereas the die hards, rules mechanics etc. wanted to change.  As a group, we discussed it, and I wasn't really interested in changing editions.  Since it was my campaign at the time, we kept playing 3E.  Yet, there was still interest in trying 4E.I had to end the campaign when I was laid off, to focus on a job search, and in my absence, they started a new 4E game.  So, yes, I had some concern about being able to find a group playing 3E games, when I was ready to get started again.At that point, it seemed like I might not be able to find groups playing 3E since all the postings I found seemed to have to do with starting 4E games.  But as more info about Pathfinder started to come out, even members of my old group started talking about it.  The new game came out, my old players started playing it, and I started to see postings about Pathfinder games.  And at the local FLGS', the number of Pathfinder products started growing....talking with the owners, a few of them mentioned that sales seemed to be 50/50.  It didn't start that way.....at first Pathfinder seemed to just be for hold outs.......but it seems to have grown.This is all just my observations.  I don't claim that they're correct, or correct beyond my area.  They're just what I can see.  It helps that I know personally the owners of 4 of the 6 game shops in my city.  So they're always willing to talk.  But it's not like they lay out their sales figures. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  They're just making anecdotal statements. Banshee</blockquote>

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