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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5449531" data-attributes="member: 92511">Well, I haven't been in any campaigns long enough to get anywhere since the 1 & 2e days.For actual, real, starting at 1st level...I have 3. A human magic-user up to 17, a human cleric up tp 15 or 16, and an elf fighter who I took to 12 if memory serves. Sorry, 4. THere was my halfling fighter/thief who made it up there though the actual levels right now escape me. (Our group back in the day kinda ignored demi-human level limits.)All of whom began in BECMI - the elf was just "an elf" then, of course, and transferred to 1e and eventually 2e.I am fairly certain all of them except the elf had to be raised/resurrected at least once. So a big "No" for the "not dying ever."My other characters who made it past 10th were usually begun either around 4th-7th or where old character who I "jumped" up to the appropriate levels the DM wanted for a particular campaign. i.e. a half-elf ranger-priest who ended up being, I want to say, Rgr 9/Cle 6...but don't quote me on that...it was decades ago. As for 20th? No. Never got past the mid-high teens...which, for me, was plenty high-level enough to kick some serious butt. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> *sigh* Good times.--Steel Dragons</blockquote>