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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quasqueton" data-source="post: 2352025" data-attributes="member: 3854">Players in my Exploring Novus Terrarum campaign, please stay out of this thread.Adding space to get the post out of the preview pop up...................I have an epic-level wizard in my campaign who in ages past learned a ritual/method of gaining divine rank. Vecna came to this wizard, as a "mortal" lich, to learn this ritual. Vecna used the method and became a god. The wizard declined divine rank because divine rank (1+) "stunts" growth. Whereas the wizard could continue gaining levels, Vecna could only grow by increasing his divine rank (more powerful and complicated rituals over time). The wizard uses epic spells, Vecna uses salient divine abilities.The above is my take on D&D divinity. How can I reconcile the above with the D&DG godly mechanics? Note that Vecna is the only D&D god without 20HD as an outsider. (I say this is because he is not a "natural born" god.) Note also that the St. Cuthbert entry says he may have been human at one time. (I say this is because he was secretly born a god through a ritual performed while in the womb, similar to the one Vecna went through later in the lich's "life".)How did the gods [core D&D] become gods? Simply an extremely rare race of 20HD outsiders born with divine rank? How did they get their levels in their classes? Do they actually have *levels* in their classes, or do they just have abilities equivalent to 20 levels in fighter (for instance)?I'm asking for your ideas and opinions based on extrapolations/interpretations of the "official" mechanics of the D&D gods.Thanks.Quasqueton</blockquote>

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