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<blockquote data-quote="King-Panda" data-source="post: 4618109" data-attributes="member: 32115">I am finding some abilities and powers are hazy on what constitutes the difference between an attack and an attack roll. Here is an example:A player in my group is currently running a 12th level Divine Oracle Cleric. His 11th level Paragon Path encounter power has the following effect:&quot;You or an ally who hits the target with an attack can choose to make the attack a critical hit.&quot;If a ranger were to use a power like twin strike (with two attack rolls), how would this work?A) The ranger rolls an attack and hits; that attack is an auto-crit, and he must then roll the second attack, which is no longer affected by the cleric power, and does not auto-crit.B) Same as above, but the second attack is still affected by the power, and auto-crits if it hits.C) The ranger rolls the first attack, hits and autocrits, and the second attack is considered an automatic crit and hit, without having to roll.Since in 4E a natural 20 is an auto hit, but only crits if the total attack still hits the Defense, I can't decide which one is correct.I had another example in mind while I was typing the first, but I forgot it already. Can anyone think of another example of this situation or provide some clarity?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="King-Panda, post: 4618109, member: 32115"] I am finding some abilities and powers are hazy on what constitutes the difference between an attack and an attack roll. Here is an example: A player in my group is currently running a 12th level Divine Oracle Cleric. His 11th level Paragon Path encounter power has the following effect: "You or an ally who hits the target with an [B]attack[/B] can choose to make the attack a critical hit." If a ranger were to use a power like twin strike (with two attack rolls), how would this work? A) The ranger rolls an attack and hits; that attack is an auto-crit, and he must then roll the second attack, which is no longer affected by the cleric power, and does not auto-crit. B) Same as above, but the second attack is still affected by the power, and auto-crits if it hits. C) The ranger rolls the first attack, hits and autocrits, and the second attack is considered an automatic crit [I]and[/I] hit, without having to roll. Since in 4E a natural 20 is an auto hit, but only crits if the total attack still hits the Defense, I can't decide which one is correct. I had another example in mind while I was typing the first, but I forgot it already. Can anyone think of another example of this situation or provide some clarity? [/QUOTE]

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