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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4618786" data-attributes="member: 1656">The 'attack' terminology problem crops up in a number of places.For example, the fighter marks a ranger.While a target is marked, it takes a –2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack that doesn't include you as a target.The ranger uses Dire Wolverine Strike against the fighter and the wizard; as a Close Burst power, this is one attack that includes the fighter as a target, so the attack roll against the wizard is not penalised, and the fighter doesn't get a Combat Challenge attack on the ranger.The ranger uses a Twin Strike against the fighter and the wizard; defined as 'two attacks', this is one attack that includes the fighter as a target, and a second attack that does not include the fighter as a target, so the attack against the wizard takes a -2 penalty and the fighter gets his free shot.But now consider Cold Steel Hurricane (Stormwarden Attack 20).&nbsp; It's a Close Burst power, so in theory it's a single attack that includes multiple targets.&nbsp; But the Attack line specifies &quot;2 attacks per target&quot;.&nbsp; So if the fighter and the wizard are in the burst, is it one attack (like Dire Wolverine Strike), or is it four attacks?&nbsp; Do the attacks on the wizard incur the penalty?&nbsp; Does the fighter get his free shot?&nbsp; For a Burst power, you roll damage once and apply it to all the targets you hit... but Cold Steel Hurricane specifies that the damage is 'per attack', and there are two attacks per target, so it damage rolled four times?Consider Wall of Fire - is it an attack?&nbsp; It's labelled &quot;Wizard Attack 9&quot;, but it has no Attack line.&nbsp; If someone is &quot;protected against all attacks&quot; until the end of the turn, can they take damage from Wall of Fire?&nbsp; If the wizard is the target of Invisibility and casts Wall of Fire, does he become visible (&quot;when the target attacks&quot;)?-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4618786, member: 1656"] The 'attack' terminology problem crops up in a number of places. For example, the fighter marks a ranger. [i]While a target is marked, it takes a –2 penalty to attack rolls for any attack that doesn't include you as a target.[/i] The ranger uses Dire Wolverine Strike against the fighter and the wizard; as a Close Burst power, this is one attack that includes the fighter as a target, so the attack roll against the wizard is not penalised, and the fighter doesn't get a Combat Challenge attack on the ranger. The ranger uses a Twin Strike against the fighter and the wizard; defined as 'two attacks', this is one attack that includes the fighter as a target, and a second attack that does not include the fighter as a target, so the attack against the wizard takes a -2 penalty and the fighter gets his free shot. But now consider Cold Steel Hurricane (Stormwarden Attack 20). It's a Close Burst power, so in theory it's a single attack that includes multiple targets. But the Attack line specifies "2 attacks per target". So if the fighter and the wizard are in the burst, is it one attack (like Dire Wolverine Strike), or is it four attacks? Do the attacks on the wizard incur the penalty? Does the fighter get his free shot? For a Burst power, you roll damage once and apply it to all the targets you hit... but Cold Steel Hurricane specifies that the damage is 'per attack', and there are two attacks [I]per target[/I], so it damage rolled four times? Consider Wall of Fire - is it an attack? It's labelled "Wizard Attack 9", but it has no Attack line. If someone is "protected against all attacks" until the end of the turn, can they take damage from Wall of Fire? If the wizard is the target of Invisibility and casts Wall of Fire, does he become visible ("[I]when the target attacks[/I]")? -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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