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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7565757" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I like to think of it this way.&nbsp; Something can be unseen but giving away it's exact position, hidden means you may or may not know something is out there but not exactly where.So for example, if I'm blinded I may still be able to hear you walking around on a hard floor, you may be making other noise or maybe I'm just bumping into you.&nbsp; An unseen creature could also just be out of your visual range, so if your human PC is in a dark room with only a candle there could easily be creatures attacking from the darkness that you can't see.&nbsp; If you can't hear or otherwise detect them they'll be hidden.Hidden means you aren't clearly seen and your enemy doesn't know where you are, if they even know you're out there at all.There are all sorts of ways to implement and run this in-game, it's designed to be flexible and open to ruling.&nbsp; Some people would say that unless you take the hide action you can never be hidden for example, which I disagree with.&nbsp; In my games the enemy has to have some way of detecting the unseen person or they are hidden. Distance, ambient noise and other environmental factors come into play.&nbsp; I also don't allow someone to be hidden if their position is obvious (you can't become hidden behind the sole tree on an open plane).&nbsp; I don't want to get into the whole hiding thing, my best advice is to discuss hidden vs unseen with your DM.&nbsp; If you are the DM, try to be consistent on your rulings and do what makes sense to you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7565757, member: 6801845"] I like to think of it this way. Something can be unseen but giving away it's exact position, hidden means you may or may not know something is out there but not exactly where. So for example, if I'm blinded I may still be able to hear you walking around on a hard floor, you may be making other noise or maybe I'm just bumping into you. An unseen creature could also just be out of your visual range, so if your human PC is in a dark room with only a candle there could easily be creatures attacking from the darkness that you can't see. If you can't hear or otherwise detect them they'll be hidden. Hidden means you aren't clearly seen and your enemy doesn't know where you are, if they even know you're out there at all. There are all sorts of ways to implement and run this in-game, it's designed to be flexible and open to ruling. Some people would say that unless you take the hide action you can never be hidden for example, which I disagree with. In my games the enemy has to have some way of detecting the unseen person or they are hidden. Distance, ambient noise and other environmental factors come into play. I also don't allow someone to be hidden if their position is obvious (you can't become hidden behind the sole tree on an open plane). I don't want to get into the whole hiding thing, my best advice is to discuss hidden vs unseen with your DM. If you are the DM, try to be consistent on your rulings and do what makes sense to you. [/QUOTE]

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