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Difference between critical hits and automatic hits.
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<blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6373279" data-attributes="member: 6776887"><p>I am a little confused comparing your first sentence to your last as to which position you are arguing for, but I think it is toward the 19 always hitting if you get a critical for a 19.</p><p></p><p>The differing interpretations start in the "Rolling 1 or 20" section. If it had instead read that "a 20 is a critical hit, it automatically hits and you roll double the damage dice", there would not be any ambiguity because it would define a critical hit as automatically hitting. Because it defined the 20 as automatically hitting<em>and </em>it is also a critical hit and sent the reader to a separate section to define a critical hit, it defined the critical hit as double damage dice only. So a champion's critical hit at 18 or 19 is double damage dice but does not necessarily hit (in my opinion).</p><p></p><p>Now, as I said at the beginning the requirements for this to even be an issue are ridiculously tight. You need a level 3 champion to attack with a bad stat for them (strength fighter using +0 or -1 dex attacking with a bow) against someone in +1 plate, a shield and a ring of protection (or something similarly rare/contrived). The chances of this coming up are exceedingly rare to non-existent.</p><p></p><p>As a DM, I look to the community for help with interpretation sometimes. This is what I knew was a corner case that could go either way and wanted to poll the community to see if my interpretation of this was at least agreed upon by some people and worked since I am relatively ignorant of the finer points of the rules in earlier versions which could give some indication of intent here.</p><p></p><p>Thank you <u>everyone</u> for your input. I really appreciate it.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: After re-reading the thread dd.stevenson 's idea of 3/4 is a much easier way of making the scenario come about.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tormyr, post: 6373279, member: 6776887"] I am a little confused comparing your first sentence to your last as to which position you are arguing for, but I think it is toward the 19 always hitting if you get a critical for a 19. The differing interpretations start in the "Rolling 1 or 20" section. If it had instead read that "a 20 is a critical hit, it automatically hits and you roll double the damage dice", there would not be any ambiguity because it would define a critical hit as automatically hitting. Because it defined the 20 as automatically hitting[I]and [/I]it is also a critical hit and sent the reader to a separate section to define a critical hit, it defined the critical hit as double damage dice only. So a champion's critical hit at 18 or 19 is double damage dice but does not necessarily hit (in my opinion). Now, as I said at the beginning the requirements for this to even be an issue are ridiculously tight. You need a level 3 champion to attack with a bad stat for them (strength fighter using +0 or -1 dex attacking with a bow) against someone in +1 plate, a shield and a ring of protection (or something similarly rare/contrived). The chances of this coming up are exceedingly rare to non-existent. As a DM, I look to the community for help with interpretation sometimes. This is what I knew was a corner case that could go either way and wanted to poll the community to see if my interpretation of this was at least agreed upon by some people and worked since I am relatively ignorant of the finer points of the rules in earlier versions which could give some indication of intent here. Thank you [U]everyone[/U] for your input. I really appreciate it. EDIT: After re-reading the thread dd.stevenson 's idea of 3/4 is a much easier way of making the scenario come about. [/QUOTE]
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