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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6373568" data-attributes="member: 43019"><p>In the how to resolve an attack section would be a pretty nice place for it to be, to be honest. Since it's an automatic hit _then_ it's a critical, which is just a subset that happens to deal double-ish damage.</p><p></p><p>Again, hopefully we never need to know this, but it's hardly open and shut. The term "critical threat" doesn't need to exist for it to be unclear what happens when you roll a 19 and miss something's AC, but could score a critical hit on said 19. Because looking at the DM and going "One of us should double check our math, this should hit regardless of whether the champion power makes it hit"</p><p></p><p>The champion rule in no way shape or form states it makes a 19 into an automatic hit, nor in any other way uses similar language ("regardless of any modifiers or the target's AC", etc. Incidentally, it also doesn't have any language to trump abilities that create automatic misses or miss chances, should those exist.</p><p></p><p>The most unfortunate part about "specific vs general" is that people love to say things are specific when they're not terribly specific. I'll admit, this is a lot easier to just rule in favor of the fighter (back to my someone's screwed something up if a 19 doesn't hit), but my favorite is still Polearm Gamble from 4th edition, where many players claimed they could opportunity attack creatures that teleported, shifted, or were pushed next to them, because their feat trumped the rules that said no opportunity attacks in those circumstances.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keterys, post: 6373568, member: 43019"] In the how to resolve an attack section would be a pretty nice place for it to be, to be honest. Since it's an automatic hit _then_ it's a critical, which is just a subset that happens to deal double-ish damage. Again, hopefully we never need to know this, but it's hardly open and shut. The term "critical threat" doesn't need to exist for it to be unclear what happens when you roll a 19 and miss something's AC, but could score a critical hit on said 19. Because looking at the DM and going "One of us should double check our math, this should hit regardless of whether the champion power makes it hit" The champion rule in no way shape or form states it makes a 19 into an automatic hit, nor in any other way uses similar language ("regardless of any modifiers or the target's AC", etc. Incidentally, it also doesn't have any language to trump abilities that create automatic misses or miss chances, should those exist. The most unfortunate part about "specific vs general" is that people love to say things are specific when they're not terribly specific. I'll admit, this is a lot easier to just rule in favor of the fighter (back to my someone's screwed something up if a 19 doesn't hit), but my favorite is still Polearm Gamble from 4th edition, where many players claimed they could opportunity attack creatures that teleported, shifted, or were pushed next to them, because their feat trumped the rules that said no opportunity attacks in those circumstances. [/QUOTE]
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