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Message: <blockquote data-quote="OnlineDM" data-source="post: 5352627" data-attributes="member: 90804">I just reached for the Rules Compendium because it was more convenient.  However, in looking at my PHB1, it does look like "damage roll" wasn't as explicitly spelled out.  Damage is on page 276 of the PHB.  It doesn't really get into the details of defining exactly what does and does not count as a "damage roll."  It's vague, frankly.If you're looking for a little more confirmation, look at the <a href="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateCompiled.pdf" target="_blank">Rules Updates</a> for Power of Destruction.  It points out that "grasping shards... doesn't have a damage roll until level 21."  And if you look at Grasping Shards, you'll see that on a hit it does Wisdom modifier damage and slows the target, but at level 21 it deals 1d10+Wisdom modifier damage.  Pre-21 static damage -> not a damage roll.  Post 21 dice-based damage -> now, according to the Rules Updates, it's a damage roll.  It's a long way to go, but it's clear.</blockquote>