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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 5353419" data-attributes="member: 1956">Actually, not so clearly, at least within PHB. AFAIK the closest entry is the column in P.08 "Game Dice". And actually, there seems to be no clear entry in pre-Rules Compendium books which specifically define what the "roll" is, what the "die/dice roll" is or what the "damage roll" is. Please correct me if I am wrong. Because that is what I was looking for.As a long-time role playing gamer and player of D&D, I tend to agree with you how the rules of D&D SHOULD BE interpreted.But that does not mean that everyone DO interpret rules like that, or it is the only possible logical reading, when someone trying to read a text.And at least I have just heard that a fellow DM has met a player who argued the different interpretation, then the DM tried to show the place which clearly defined what the damage roll (or roll) is (without having Rules Compendium at his hands) and took some delay within a gaming session, and failed to show the player a clear evidence.Then it is already pointed out that WotC has added a clear definition in the Essential line. For me, it seems to be the evidence that there were certain amount of people who did not just say "Yep, rolling is to roll dice, thus if you don't roll at least one die, that is not a damage roll."</blockquote>