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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8676663" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>I find there's very little agreement upon the idea that Thor was leader in earlier Germanic tradition.</p><p></p><p>Thor may stem from the same root Indo-European root as Indra, who in some traditions is king of the gods, but in Germanic and Norse sources, Thor is almost never in a leader's position. By the time we call it "Germanic" Thor seems to have kept Indra's tendency to muck in, but lost the aspect of presiding over other gods.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile, we ought to talk about Tuesday - Tiw's Day, or Tyr's Day. Etymologically, Tyr comes from <em>*Tiwaz,</em> which translates to "<em>the</em> god". And in Norse poetic kennings, Tyr's name is often used as indicator of being a deity - so Odin is "Victory-Tyr" and Thor is "Chariot-Tyr". Tyr is used in kennings indicating Odin frequently, which makes little sense if Tyr's a nobody, but a lot of sense if Tyr used to be top dog - the name becomes a title, then the title is attached to the new person in the position. Also, there's some evidence that Tyr was god of <em>things</em>. Not meaning objects, but in the Germanic and Norse meaning of councils in which stuff gets decided, which is pretty fitting for a king of gods.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8676663, member: 177"] I find there's very little agreement upon the idea that Thor was leader in earlier Germanic tradition. Thor may stem from the same root Indo-European root as Indra, who in some traditions is king of the gods, but in Germanic and Norse sources, Thor is almost never in a leader's position. By the time we call it "Germanic" Thor seems to have kept Indra's tendency to muck in, but lost the aspect of presiding over other gods. Meanwhile, we ought to talk about Tuesday - Tiw's Day, or Tyr's Day. Etymologically, Tyr comes from [I]*Tiwaz,[/I] which translates to "[I]the[/I] god". And in Norse poetic kennings, Tyr's name is often used as indicator of being a deity - so Odin is "Victory-Tyr" and Thor is "Chariot-Tyr". Tyr is used in kennings indicating Odin frequently, which makes little sense if Tyr's a nobody, but a lot of sense if Tyr used to be top dog - the name becomes a title, then the title is attached to the new person in the position. Also, there's some evidence that Tyr was god of [I]things[/I]. Not meaning objects, but in the Germanic and Norse meaning of councils in which stuff gets decided, which is pretty fitting for a king of gods. [/QUOTE]
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