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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9602324" data-attributes="member: 7026617">At which point it doesn't seem any different to a player action evoking a Hard move in any number of other cases.  What's the distinction you're seeing?Basically, this doesn't seem analogous to "The monster attacks you from ambush and does damage" which, far as I can tell, would be considered a valid action in a number of lightweight RNR games.  Depending on the setup, the players might not like it and/or view it as poor form, but its not forbidden, and does not automatically provide any sort of roll to avoid.So I'm not sure I'm getting your point here.</blockquote>