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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5762287" data-attributes="member: 19675">Agreed, the grid is not necessary...But also this: if using the grid actually helps you play, why the hate?&nbsp; Why fight the grid if it's a actually a useful tool for you and your group?I mean, using a grid in no way means you're less of a role-player or you're doing it wrong.&nbsp; Even though I've played games without minis, my very first session back in 1977 used them.&nbsp; And by that time, some of the RPG minis companies were pretty well established, so using them is really nothing new.Or to put it differently...I play chess, I play very well.&nbsp; I nearly always use a board.&nbsp; OTOH, I know people who can and do play chess without it, exchanging the moves verbally and keeping their boards entirely in their heads.And while I've done so a smattering of times, I don't enjoy it.Does that make them better?&nbsp; No- they were generally better players in general before reaching that level of mastery...and that didn't stop me from beating a couple of them.&nbsp; Keeping an orderly mental chessboard is a related but not prerequisite or necessary skill to be great at chess.Likewise, gridless RPG play is not inherently superior, just different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5762287, member: 19675"] Agreed, the grid is not necessary... But also this: if using the grid actually helps you play, why the hate? Why fight the grid if it's a actually a useful tool for you and your group? I mean, using a grid in no way means you're less of a role-player or you're doing it wrong. Even though I've played games without minis, my very first session back in 1977 used them. And by that time, some of the RPG minis companies were pretty well established, so using them is really nothing new. Or to put it differently... I play chess, I play very well. I nearly always use a board. OTOH, I know people who can and do play chess without it, exchanging the moves verbally and keeping their boards entirely in their heads. And while I've done so a smattering of times, I don't enjoy it. Does that make them better? No- they were generally better players in general [I]before[/I] reaching that level of mastery...and that didn't stop me from beating a couple of them. Keeping an orderly mental chessboard is a related but not prerequisite or necessary skill to be great at chess. Likewise, gridless RPG play is not inherently superior, just different. [/QUOTE]

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