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<blockquote data-quote="Felonius" data-source="post: 1766081" data-attributes="member: 17786">If a player takes a few diplomacy ranks &quot;just to round out personality&quot;, why would the fact that he's not able to influence the greatest individuals around be a disappointment? Why is either example an undesirable result? I don't see why either example character should be able to easily influence one of the greatest heroes in the world, who is also almost supernaturally wise (20+ WIS).The sorcerer has +15 Diplomacy. If the sorcerer serves the same cause and he's making a deal that is perceivably relatively low in risk with a potentially good reward, the DC drops to 30 and he can make it with a roll 15+. Not bad for a dabbler considering who he's trying to convince, but then again the sorcerer has an unearthly charisma.The sorcerer can also convince a 10th lvl NPC who he just met to accept an even deal on a roll 10+.The fighter example has 11 ranks + misc modifiers. A total of +15 would not be far fetched, so he can pull off similar diplomacy stunts as the example sorcerer. Not bad for a plain fighter, but then again he uses all his freetime to learn the art of diplomacy.Neither character is specialised in diplomacy, the other is a dabbler and the other disregards his class skills. Both can perform medium diplomacy tasks for their level, as they should.Obviously I disagree. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> - F</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felonius, post: 1766081, member: 17786"] If a player takes a few diplomacy ranks "just to round out personality", why would the fact that he's not able to influence the greatest individuals around be a disappointment? Why is either example an undesirable result? I don't see why either example character should be able to easily influence one of the greatest heroes in the world, who is also almost supernaturally wise (20+ WIS). The sorcerer has +15 Diplomacy. If the sorcerer serves the same cause and he's making a deal that is perceivably relatively low in risk with a potentially good reward, the DC drops to 30 and he can make it with a roll 15+. Not bad for a dabbler considering who he's trying to convince, but then again the sorcerer has an unearthly charisma. The sorcerer can also convince a 10th lvl NPC who he just met to accept an even deal on a roll 10+. The fighter example has 11 ranks + misc modifiers. A total of +15 would not be far fetched, so he can pull off similar diplomacy stunts as the example sorcerer. Not bad for a plain fighter, but then again he uses all his freetime to learn the art of diplomacy. Neither character is specialised in diplomacy, the other is a dabbler and the other disregards his class skills. Both can perform medium diplomacy tasks for their level, as they should. Obviously I disagree. ;) - F [/QUOTE]

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