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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2232792" data-attributes="member: 259">Things to consider:  -A successful merchant in magical goods is accustomed to making favorable deals with powerful adventurers.-That successful merchant is probably an expert in the field, with several levels.  (I'd say the merchant gains XP through making favorable deals).-That merchant probably has maxed out diplomacy, sense motive, appraise, and bluff.-That merchant probably has skill focus:  diplomacy (and possibly several other skill focus feats).The negotiation on a price should have several stages:1) The presentation of the item, along with statements about its value.  (The seller makes a diplomacy check, or a bluff check if they're trying to gloss over imperfections).2) The buyer of the item tries to determine the item's value.  (In most cases, this would be with an appraise check; I would probably allow an appraise check to oppose the seller's bluff check).3) The buyer of the item then states his conclusion about the item's value (another diplomacy/bluff check).4) The seller of the item tries to figure out whether that's a fair value (another appraise check).5) Haggling begins.Obviously, that's way too complicated; but I think it points to the skills that are going to be involved.  And I think it points to the idea that PCs may sometimes find themselves happily making a purchase at a value substantial higher than bluebook value, or selling at substantially less than bluebook value, because a canny merchant has convinced them it's a good bargain.If a player wants to haggle over prices, I'd make it clear that bluebook values no longer hold true:  otherwise, they're going to game the system, which is no good.Daniel</blockquote>

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