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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1537070" data-attributes="member: 8439">ah, since there is a current rules forum thread where some do in fact argue against giving a sense motive check against bluff (lies, misdirections, etc) I took your lie detector comment that way. I don't let a sucessful sense motive check determine exactly what the truth is or even what part they are lying about. For an example, in a play by post, the PCs were pretending to kidnap a pricess (a decoy to cover the real pricess's journey) and encountered a group of true would be kidnappers. In a tense negotiation, the leader of the other group stated that they would be willing to pay a reasonable ransom directly to the PCs because they had plently of money and wanted the princess to negotiate for a "less tangible goal." The truth is that their funds weren't as flush as he claimed, but he was planning to make an honest payment attempt, and they really did want to princess to force a politcal concession, not to get cash. A good sense motive check on the part of a PC revealed that there was something he was holding back but seemed largely sincere - she didn;t know what part of his statement was exagerated or misrepresented, but suspected something was up. The PC then made a more full out bluff, claiming they would meet on the following night to consider an offer, when they really planned to flee and protect the princess. He fell for it and they left peacefully. Since her bluff was less layered, a sucessful sense motive check would have given a more absolute result - she was lying about her intent to return. kahuna Burger</blockquote>

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