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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 1537751" data-attributes="member: 463">Wow, taky, thanks again!&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" />&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That d20 Modern stuff is _great_ - if only it, or words like it, had been in the 3.5 D&amp;D Player's Handbook, we'd have saved a lot of trouble on the Rules Forum!&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />&nbsp; - Go have a look at the &quot;Sense Motive - Active or Passive?&quot; thread.&nbsp; A few people, like Stalkingblue &amp; me, have always used SM &amp; Bluff pretty much the way the d20 Modern FAQ you quote makes clear is the designers' intended way, but although I somewhat felt I was doing it in accordance w the designers' intent (not always an overriding concern, mind you), we didn't have that much to go on from the PHB, it's really not that clearly written in the Bluff &amp; Sense Motive descriptions there, and a lot of people on the thread took a very different approach - and some even seemed quite hostile to our approach.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 1537751, member: 463"] Wow, taky, thanks again! :eek: :) That d20 Modern stuff is _great_ - if only it, or words like it, had been in the 3.5 D&D Player's Handbook, we'd have saved a lot of trouble on the Rules Forum! :lol: - Go have a look at the "Sense Motive - Active or Passive?" thread. A few people, like Stalkingblue & me, have always used SM & Bluff pretty much the way the d20 Modern FAQ you quote makes clear is the designers' intended way, but although I somewhat felt I was doing it in accordance w the designers' intent (not always an overriding concern, mind you), we didn't have that much to go on from the PHB, it's really not that clearly written in the Bluff & Sense Motive descriptions there, and a lot of people on the thread took a very different approach - and some even seemed quite hostile to our approach. [/QUOTE]

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