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<blockquote data-quote="FendenKrell" data-source="post: 4412854" data-attributes="member: 74936"><p>alright so last night we had a game session and two of the players were going to barter with the mayor of a town over a magical mirror of bahamut.&nbsp; the two PCs went off to another room from the NPC.&nbsp; they discussed amongst themselves how the item could be worth at best 650gp but they would start at 550gp and barter it.&nbsp; when they went back into the NPCs room, from their &quot;huddle&quot; if you will, the DM said the NPC mayor was sitting in a chair wearing a bright green vest, smoking a pipe and wearing a shiny ring.&nbsp; they walked in, sat down, the NPC said, &quot;Now lets get down to business...&quot; and then the DM said that the PCs were immediately &quot;mesmerized&quot;.&nbsp; you are totally in love with the NPC mayor, you think he's the greatest man youve ever met(a bit of a paraphrase but you get the jist).&nbsp; then he offered 150, 200 was a little high but he can give it to the PCs.&nbsp; one of the PCs said right off that she had a +5 against Charm Effects and the DM said it was not a spell oif any kind.&nbsp; that the NPC was using Diplomacy against the PCs &quot;passive&quot; insight.&nbsp; this ended up with the PCs getting ripped off and not being able to do or say or roll anything in protest.&nbsp; this didnt make sense to me and seemed more like the DM was wanting HIS way and therefore the PCs were not allowed to challenge what was happening to them.&nbsp; any thoughts?&nbsp; and if i am not clear on any points ask and i will respond asap.&nbsp; i will be watching the thread.&nbsp; thank you in advance.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="FendenKrell, post: 4412854, member: 74936"] alright so last night we had a game session and two of the players were going to barter with the mayor of a town over a magical mirror of bahamut. the two PCs went off to another room from the NPC. they discussed amongst themselves how the item could be worth at best 650gp but they would start at 550gp and barter it. when they went back into the NPCs room, from their "huddle" if you will, the DM said the NPC mayor was sitting in a chair wearing a bright green vest, smoking a pipe and wearing a shiny ring. they walked in, sat down, the NPC said, "Now lets get down to business..." and then the DM said that the PCs were immediately "mesmerized". you are totally in love with the NPC mayor, you think he's the greatest man youve ever met(a bit of a paraphrase but you get the jist). then he offered 150, 200 was a little high but he can give it to the PCs. one of the PCs said right off that she had a +5 against Charm Effects and the DM said it was not a spell oif any kind. that the NPC was using Diplomacy against the PCs "passive" insight. this ended up with the PCs getting ripped off and not being able to do or say or roll anything in protest. this didnt make sense to me and seemed more like the DM was wanting HIS way and therefore the PCs were not allowed to challenge what was happening to them. any thoughts? and if i am not clear on any points ask and i will respond asap. i will be watching the thread. thank you in advance. [/QUOTE]

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